If Can't Use DivX or Xvid Then.........

Minion · Post by **Minion** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:56 am

i second the motion.

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:45 am

lossless compression is recommended for your source, but... i don't care if people use xvid or divx. true it is more error-prone and lossy, but if it's good enough for them, let them have a ball.

my point is, there is no RIGHT WAY to make amvs. use whatever works. 10-15 years ago, most amv editors didn't have huge anime dvd collections and were using 2-deck vcrs. they didn't have Read <a href=http://www.a-m-v.org/guides/avtech31/>ErMaC & AbsoluteDestiny's Friendly AMV Guides</a> or dvd decrypter. they just used whatever they had in front of them, some of their own ingenuity, and made the best with what they had. they weren't as clean looking or precisely timed as today's videos, but they still entertained the hell out of the creators and fans at that time, and still do today.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:27 pm

That said, when it stops working randomly and all of your project files become corrupt, don't come crying to us for help.

Radical_Yue · Post by **Radical_Yue** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:29 pm

I might get torn to shreds for saying this, but you don't really have to use Huffy =\ When it comes to Windows Movie Maker there really isn't any way to preserve the purdy quality that you get with lossless...

There's another codec called "Intel Indeo 4.5" that you can re-encode your footage with in Virtual Dub Mod. The file sizes are very very small compared to the lossless and it still keeps the quality pretty nice. Just about the same quality as you'll get when you render an AVI from WMM (minus the interlacing)

I encoded my footage that I used for Soundless Screams, Esplodey-ness, and Give Me Wings in Intel Indeo 4.5, and they didn't come out bad looking >_>

Now Imma go get some coffee since I just woke up @_@

Cornwiggle · Post by **Cornwiggle** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:34 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:I might get torn to shreds for saying this, but you don't really have to use Huffy =\ When it comes to Windows Movie Maker there really isn't any way to preserve the purdy quality that you get with lossless...

Isn't that exactly what I've been saying this entire time? It everything but WMM, it matters, in WMM the quality comes out EXACTLY the same.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:42 pm

It's not really an issue of quality - sure frame accuracy becomes even more unpredictible, but using certian types of encodes (like XviD) in any sort of editing software have been linked (though i'm not sure how - but it has happened in front of me) to project file corruption and program instibility.

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:04 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:I might get torn to shreds for saying this, but you don't really have to use Huffy =\ When it comes to Windows Movie Maker there really isn't any way to preserve the purdy quality that you get with lossless...

Actually, yes there is: custom WMV profiles. Make one that encodes your video with such a high bitrate that it's nearly lossless (and at any rate better-looking than DV AVI).

I forget where DownWithPants's guide to the process is, but if you can't or don't want to make one yourself, you can download this one that I made - http://www.aquilinestudios.org/VHQWMV2.prx - and save it to the C:\Program Files\Movie Maker\Shared\Profiles directory. Then, when next you open WMM and try to save a movie file, the profile should show up as "Very high quality WMV, 29.97 fps" in the "Other" category of exporting options (where DV AVI is).

Radical_Yue · Post by **Radical_Yue** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:42 am

All the amaziling logic o.0

*smoke eruption*

I think something in my head broke o.0

Minion · Post by **Minion** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:52 am

downwithpants wrote:my point is, there is no RIGHT WAY to make amvs. use whatever works. 10-15 years ago, most amv editors didn't have huge anime dvd collections and were using 2-deck vcrs. they didn't have Read <a href="http://www.a-m-v.org/guides/avtech/">ErMaC & AbsoluteDestiny's Friendly AMV Guides</a> or dvd decrypter. they just used whatever they had in front of them, some of their own ingenuity, and made the best with what they had. they weren't as clean looking or precisely timed as today's videos, but they still entertained the hell out of the creators and fans at that time, and still do today.

i can't agree.
if there were ways to improve quality or frame accuracy without spending any money, any smart editor would have used it back then.

today though, we have these tools and guides available to for free to remove interlacing, get great quality, encode lossless footage, ect.
not taking advantage of it is like shooting yourself in the foot. and encouraging the guides to be ignored at all is just going to cause more problems, questions, and poor output.

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:34 pm

okay, my point may not have come out as i intended.

yall are complainin about the fact that krillin the villin claims that he has had success with divx and xvid in wmm in the past. if thats what works for him, thats fine. why would i lock a thread just because some wmm users are able to edit with lossy intraframe codecs?

naturally, i encourage using lossless codecs and agree that they are better than lossy codecs as source, but its not against the rules to use lossy codecs or talk about it.