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The Origonal Head Hunter wrote:DivX and XVid have always been huge gambles for any editing program. Yes, fine, they may have worked perfectly for years for you. That's dumb luck. They are distribution codecs, and were never meant to be edited in. There's nothing to say the next time you opened them in CS3 they'd never work again. Use something lossless (like lagarith or huffyuv), which were actually MADE to be edited with.
LivingFlame wrote:Actually, it's your theory that fails. Just because the file worked once (or more in this case) doesn't mean it has to work again. Welcome to distribution formats.
That said, CS3 ≠ CS4. If it's not working in CS4, then that's that. And there is no miracle method to making DivX/XviD work in an editor. It's total hit and miss. The only ways to make it work for sure are to transcode to lossless, transcode to DV, directly edit an AviSynth script, or frameserve a script into a fake AVI file. The fourth would only be useful for a program that doesn't support directly editing AviSynth scripts, though.
And no, there are no special plugins to make distribution files work in Premiere. That's not what those files are meant for in the first place, so there's no reason for Adobe to try and improve support for them. That would be wasting their time. The target demographic for this software consists primarily of professionals and prosumers who know better than to try stupid things like directly editing distribution files.
If you're that worried about HDD space, you should look into buying a 1.5 TB+ external drive. They're getting a lot cheaper these days - a hell of a lot cheaper than CS4.
LivingFlame wrote:And no, there are no special plugins to make distribution files work in Premiere.
I solved the problem with AVISynth (AVISource), but I don't want to have to do that for all my projects that I might've used DivX files for. SO AGAIN, does CS4 work even worse with DivX/XVID?
JaddziaDax wrote:LivingFlame wrote:And no, there are no special plugins to make distribution files work in Premiere.
I think that answers your question, aside from what you have already found to work (frame serving with avisynth) I don't believe there is a solution...
that is unless you want to make lossless clips. (by taking the time to clip and plan your video more you can actually save hard drive space - also you can always disable the audio - its something I used to do when working on an old 80gb hd.)I solved the problem with AVISynth (AVISource), but I don't want to have to do that for all my projects that I might've used DivX files for. SO AGAIN, does CS4 work even worse with DivX/XVID?
as to answer your question directly, it probably works the same with divx/xvid compressions as the other version... as in its well known around here that while those compressions may work for some people some of the times, it doesn't work for all people all of the time.
So essentially it is kind of a hit and miss.. and its the same with every editing program as divx and xvid weren't created with editing in mind, but rather sharing/distribution.
and as for your thread being in the wrong place, you can always mod drop box it and ask it to be moved... or wait for it to be moved if a mod notices it.
.. we are talking about, "video streaming" codec'sTyphoon859 wrote:..About DivX files being hit and miss, I understand that. But are you trying to say that not only is it hit and miss with different files, but it's hit and miss with the same file on different computers? I don't get how that's possible considering the programming is the same. It's not like once the code for processing the video can be working right and another time working wrong...
post-it wrote:.. we are talking about, "video streaming" codec'sTyphoon859 wrote:..About DivX files being hit and miss, I understand that. But are you trying to say that not only is it hit and miss with different files, but it's hit and miss with the same file on different computers? I don't get how that's possible considering the programming is the same. It's not like once the code for processing the video can be working right and another time working wrong...
Xvid/divX - rm - viv - mpg - mov .. .. these are Streaming Codec's and are set-up for "Quick-Reading"
and not for Editing. ?? why? .. streaming sometimes repeats frames for a balanced playback;
normal video files are sequential. live video is sequential. DVD's are basically sequential.
Most video edits are relying on the movie being 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-... while streaming sometimes
looks more like 1-2-2-3-4-4-5-6-7-7-8-.. .. .. the amount of brightness and sometimes even
the amount of color enrichment often play a major roll in determining the streaming sequence.
just because it plays well does not mean that it is editable! ( MP3's proved that a long time ago! )
Typhoon859 wrote:About DivX files being hit and miss, I understand that. But are you trying to say that not only is it hit and miss with different files, but it's hit and miss with the same file on different computers? I don't get how that's possible considering the programming is the same. It's not like once the code for processing the video can be working right and another time working wrong.. It doesn't have any sort of intelligence. If that's what you're saying, I trust your experience since I'm not that all knowing about what's possible errors are possible with programming, but if so, you think you can explain why YOU THINK that could happen. Installation differences maybe? Unexplained inconsistencies bother me; it's what triggered the creation of this thread.
Qyot27 wrote:Typhoon859 wrote:About DivX files being hit and miss, I understand that. But are you trying to say that not only is it hit and miss with different files, but it's hit and miss with the same file on different computers? I don't get how that's possible considering the programming is the same. It's not like once the code for processing the video can be working right and another time working wrong.. It doesn't have any sort of intelligence. If that's what you're saying, I trust your experience since I'm not that all knowing about what's possible errors are possible with programming, but if so, you think you can explain why YOU THINK that could happen. Installation differences maybe? Unexplained inconsistencies bother me; it's what triggered the creation of this thread.
It's a mass of issues. Premiere still has to access VFW to decode the files, AFAIK. So if the particular VFW decoder you have installed is different (say, the normal DivX or XviD decoders vs. ffdshow or whatever), or even if it's the same decoder but a different version number, things can change, things can break, and it might not have anything at all to do with Premiere. The hit and miss with different files is mainly due to the use of the hacked-in B-frames of those codecs, and the P frames might screw with it too. If they were encoded with only keyframes (I frames) then it'd be no different than using MJPEG, but doing that is horribly inefficient for online distribution, at least if you want it to look good.
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