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Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby Pirate King » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:58 am

I am having a problem with Adobe Premier Pro 2.0 crashing when opening more than 6 avs script files of typical episode length. There is no problem with any of the scripts themselves as they all open fine on their own. I have never tried editing directly with avs files and have just used lagarith in the past but im working with a large number of episodes and lagarith takes up like 7 times the space that raw DVD files do and space was going to be an issue.

I thought about using the swap method but assume I would just run into the same problem when I went to switch the low quality encodes for the avs files.

Is it a memory issue? my comp has 2 gigs of ram and I have tried lowering the set memory max option in the Premier AVS configuration to the lowest recommended setting of 16 MB with no luck. I cant see why it would be a problem as I have no problem with loading multiple video files that are much larger.

If all else fails I can resort to using Lagarith encodes but would prefer not to.

Has anyone had this same problem and found a work around, any input would be appreciated as I am out of ideas.

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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby fiathriel! » Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:07 am

I'm also having this trouble, I can see in the systray that a ridiculous amount of icons are appearing as Premiere tries to load the file.

I have a quad processor and 8gig of ram, it's driving me nuts. I had no problem with my previous PC which has 1gb of ram and a 6 year old processor.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby fiathriel! » Sat Nov 22, 2008 11:44 am

fiathriel! wrote:I'm also having this trouble, I can see in the systray that a ridiculous amount of icons are appearing as Premiere tries to load the file.

I have a quad processor and 8gig of ram, it's driving me nuts. I had no problem with my previous PC which has 1gb of ram and a 6 year old processor.


I'm using ffmegsource now instead of directshow in the avs scripts and the icons don't appear anymore!!
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby Krisqo » Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:01 pm

I've never had success using AVS files in Premiere 6.5 or Pro.

First try shutting off most of your filters aside from deinterlacing, resizing and framerate conversions when you edit because it can still sap a lot of memory. If you do not know, you disable filters by placing a "#" before the filter name.

For Example
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Mpeg2Source("E:\Sakura1\sakura1.d2v", cpu=4)
TCOmb()
deint=TDeint(mode=2, mtnmode=3, blim=100)
TFM(cthresh=4, slow=2, clip2=deint)
TDecimate(mode=1)
#deen("w2d",7,5,9)
#FluxSmoothST(7,7)
#WarpSharp()
#FastLineDarken()
#SDDerainbow()
#tweak(sat=1.4, cont=1.0, bright=-10)
#ColorYUV(gain_u=1)
ConvertToRGB32()
Crop(8,60,-8,-60)
BiCubicResize(720,360)
AddBorders(0,60,0,60)
AssumeFPS(24)


Then edit. When you are done. Go back to your AVS files and delete the #. All your scripts should then update when you reload the software for render.

Also try using the "SetMemoryMax()" function at the start of your script to dictate how much RAM you want allocated to that script.

If you have the AMVApp 3.0 beta, you should have a program called VFAPIConv. All you do is load your scripts into the program, hit convert and presto. You now have a small fake AVI file to edit with. I also suggest shutting off the filters as mentioned. When you are done editing, run the scripts back through VFAPIConv and convert and you are done.

I have had little to no problems using VFAPI on a Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz Dual Core processor with 2 GB of RAM.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby fiathriel! » Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:51 am

Krisqo wrote:I've never had success using AVS files in Premiere 6.5 or Pro.

First try shutting off most of your filters aside from deinterlacing, resizing and framerate conversions when you edit because it can still sap a lot of memory. If you do not know, you disable filters by placing a "#" before the filter name.

Then edit. When you are done. Go back to your AVS files and delete the #. All your scripts should then update when you reload the software for render.

Also try using the "SetMemoryMax()" function at the start of your script to dictate how much RAM you want allocated to that script.

If you have the AMVApp 3.0 beta, you should have a program called VFAPIConv. All you do is load your scripts into the program, hit convert and presto. You now have a small fake AVI file to edit with. I also suggest shutting off the filters as mentioned. When you are done editing, run the scripts back through VFAPIConv and convert and you are done.

I have had little to no problems using VFAPI on a Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz Dual Core processor with 2 GB of RAM.

All filters are off except 'Trim', didn't help.

Also, tried to use VFAPIConv but it wont install with the security permissions in Vista, even after setting full access to the system32 and system.ini.

Now I'm at a loss what to do, I can't edit in lossless because I have 50+ episodes I'm working on. The VFAPI sounded like the perfect solution :(
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby Autraya » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:30 am

fiathriel! wrote:Now I'm at a loss what to do, I can't edit in lossless because I have 50+ episodes I'm working on. The VFAPI sounded like the perfect solution :(
I did. I converted all of gundam seed and gundam seed destiny to lossless to edit with that 100 episodes :? There are things you can do to save space, like picking a smaller resolution, killing the audio, not increasing saturation, using lagarith instead of huffyuv etc
But if HDD space is a problem for you them just scan through the footage and make clips of scenes that you think you'll need instead of the entire episode.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby fiathriel! » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:34 am

Autraya wrote:
fiathriel! wrote:Now I'm at a loss what to do, I can't edit in lossless because I have 50+ episodes I'm working on. The VFAPI sounded like the perfect solution :(
I did. I converted all of gundam seed and gundam seed destiny to lossless to edit with that 100 episodes :? There are things you can do to save space, like picking a smaller resolution, killing the audio, not increasing saturation, using lagarith instead of huffyuv etc
But if HDD space is a problem for you them just scan through the footage and make clips of scenes that you think you'll need instead of the entire episode.


I did consider it, I have lots of HDD space, about 500gb . . . . how big did each of your episodes turn out to be?

I've got the VFAPI thing installed finally, works very well but Premiere Pro doesn't like it. Everytime I drag from the bin to the timeline it gets an error and also when I drag from one video track to another, if I drag left and right on the same video track, it's fine.

Mmmm . . . . still considering options.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby Zarxrax » Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:05 pm

50 episodes, that's your problem.
Try loading multiple episodes through each avisynth script, and cut out any episodes you don't need. Reduce the total number of avisynth scripts by as much as possible.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby fiathriel! » Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:39 pm

Zarxrax wrote:50 episodes, that's your problem.
Try loading multiple episodes through each avisynth script, and cut out any episodes you don't need. Reduce the total number of avisynth scripts by as much as possible.



Ahh, OK, so overloading Premiere with scripts isn't the greatest idea? . . . . so far after changing to VFAPI it's being far more compliant, it's mainly crashing on drag and drop features, it's more workable.

I was going to compress the footage and using avi's but most people advise against this as well. Thanks for the all the input, I'll keep plodding along.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby Krisqo » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:40 pm

With VFAPI I typically encode just one DVD per script. And also I'm using older versions of Premiere which seem to be more stable than the newer from what I hear.

But making clips is the best choice. Find the scenes you know you are going to use and created a Lag or Huff file. Might be about 10-20mb + for a few seconds, but they should load with no problem. Then as you edit, you can cut more clips as you find necessary.

I don't do it because I never know what I'm going to use for my clips until I'm actually working.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby fiathriel! » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:36 am

Krisqo wrote:With VFAPI I typically encode just one DVD per script. And also I'm using older versions of Premiere which seem to be more stable than the newer from what I hear.

But making clips is the best choice. Find the scenes you know you are going to use and created a Lag or Huff file. Might be about 10-20mb + for a few seconds, but they should load with no problem. Then as you edit, you can cut more clips as you find necessary.

I don't do it because I never know what I'm going to use for my clips until I'm actually working.


I'm a bit like that, I like to keep the options open, scripting seemed like the most logical idea for the way I work and considering how many episodes I'd like to keep in full on the hard drive. So far the VFAPI seems to be kind of workable. When I get the errors I can at least save the project, then close, then reopen. If I don't close and reopen all the clips on all the tracks are locked and I can move them, bizarre behaviour but not completely unworkable.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby Zarxrax » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:16 am

I don't think vfapi actually gives you any advantage over just importing them straight into premiere...
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby Krisqo » Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:43 am

Zarxrax wrote:I don't think vfapi actually gives you any advantage over just importing them straight into premiere...


I have found that it does for me.

Case and point. I edited "Stay With Me" using only AVS files and I kept having the damn program crash and even totally glitch the last few seconds of the video whenever I would use certain clips resulting in me having to re-do the project in an older version of Premiere. From there, when I turned on the scripts, the cuts from one source all glitched and were shown as 10 frames of black. After fixing that by making clips for said scenes, I was faced with Premiere crashing every time I tried to export. The cure was exporting the video 10 and 5 seconds at a time. Importing the clips back into Premiere and then exporting again.

Using the same sources, same scripts, same computer, same programs, but using VFAPI, I have never had said problem again.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby fiathriel! » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:05 pm

Krisqo wrote:
Zarxrax wrote:I don't think vfapi actually gives you any advantage over just importing them straight into premiere...


I have found that it does for me.

Case and point. I edited "Stay With Me" using only AVS files and I kept having the damn program crash and even totally glitch the last few seconds of the video whenever I would use certain clips resulting in me having to re-do the project in an older version of Premiere. From there, when I turned on the scripts, the cuts from one source all glitched and were shown as 10 frames of black. After fixing that by making clips for said scenes, I was faced with Premiere crashing every time I tried to export. The cure was exporting the video 10 and 5 seconds at a time. Importing the clips back into Premiere and then exporting again.

Using the same sources, same scripts, same computer, same programs, but using VFAPI, I have never had said problem again.


My actual clip I'm trying to do is only 15 seconds anyway, a few years ago I used to edit in Premiere 5 or 6 with no problems with avs at all . . . . the VFAPI is still not behaving properly, I think just resizing all the eps might be a good start, or taking the suggestion on the AMV org guides that says to make cruddy avi's of all your avi scripts, just to edit with and then do a final run with the uncompressed ones at the end (or something like that, I only skimmed it), seemed like a good idea.
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Re: Premier Crashing when opening multiple avs scripts

Postby Autraya » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:27 pm

I don't remember the size of each episode but I fit it on a 400gb drive but it did take me a little bit of work to do so, I cut out intro's and credits to save space and used 640X480 (I think) yv12 on the lagarith .. and a few other things i cant remember :P

VFAPI plays up extreemely badly in premiere pro 1.5 for me, lagging during playback to the point that I only see the very first frame and making export renders take forever.
example:
Princess tutu vid with lagariths was taking 2 minutes to export an umcompressed file for 1 minute of timeline but the same video and portion of timeline took 43 minutes with VFAPI (I went off and watched an episode of stargate while i waited).
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