Adobe Premiere 6.5 Exporting

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Postby Willen » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:13 am

VEGETA_LSSJ wrote:EDIT:
and will i lose some frames???

omg sorry mistake, this shoud be like this - "and will there be some double frames?"

anyway this first question is a little messed up, so focus on this sentance -
I mean does the timeline have the same number of frame-spots always, or it depedns on what you set on project settings??

frame spots or how i should call it...maybe...frame slots...i hope you know what i mean...

i have some image sequences in my project so that is the biggest problem for me. I exported some sequences jsut to see if ther is any difference and i exported from "25 to 30", from "25 to 25", and from "30 to 30" and to me it seems like there is no difference from any of these 3 exports, but i want to make sure...

Anyway the second question is more imprtant...

I'm not exactly sure what Premiere normally does, but if you go from 25 fps to 30 fps, the program has to somehow add 5 fps to make up the difference. Depending on the settings, this may mean sped up footage or extra frames. The sure way to find out is to compare the videos side by side and analyze the frames.

I use Magix MEP11 and when I change the project settings from 29.97 fps to 24 fps, the number of 'frame slots' changes. Above the timeline is a timecode with the format of mm:ss:ff and if the project is long enough, hh:mm:ss:ff where hh=hours, mm=minutes, ss=seconds, ff=frames.

When set to 29.97 fps (30 fps), the count goes 00:00:00, 00:00:01, 00:00:02, ... 00:00:29, 00:01:00, 00:01:01, etc.

When set to 24 fps, the count goes 00:00:00, 00:00:01, 00:00:02, ... 00:00:23, 00:01:00, 00:01:01, etc. Same goes for 25 fps.

Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum allows you to set the 'frame slots' in the Project Properties on the Ruler tab. If set for SMPTE Drop (29.97 fps, Video), which I think is the default, the timecode is the same as my Magix example above except the format is hh:mm:ss;ff all the time. SMPTE Non-Drop (29.97 fps, Video) is formatted the same as Magix - hh:mm:ss:ff. Time & Frame is hh:mm:ss.ff. There are many other options, but the pattern is the same as Magix. I'm assuming that the non-Movie Studio (full) version is similar.

I can't remember if Premiere does the same thing since it's been a while since I used it, but I'm pretty sure that if you set up the project correctly it should.
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Postby VEGETA_LSSJ » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:46 am

I'm not exactly sure what Premiere normally does, but if you go from 25 fps to 30 fps, the program has to somehow add 5 fps to make up the difference. Depending on the settings, this may mean sped up footage or extra frames. The sure way to find out is to compare the videos side by side and analyze the frames.

I use Magix MEP11 and when I change the project settings from 29.97 fps to 24 fps, the number of 'frame slots' changes. Above the timeline is a timecode with the format of mm:ss:ff and if the project is long enough, hh:mm:ss:ff where hh=hours, mm=minutes, ss=seconds, ff=frames.

When set to 29.97 fps (30 fps), the count goes 00:00:00, 00:00:01, 00:00:02, ... 00:00:29, 00:01:00, 00:01:01, etc.

When set to 24 fps, the count goes 00:00:00, 00:00:01, 00:00:02, ... 00:00:23, 00:01:00, 00:01:01, etc. Same goes for 25 fps.

Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum allows you to set the 'frame slots' in the Project Properties on the Ruler tab. If set for SMPTE Drop (29.97 fps, Video), which I think is the default, the timecode is the same as my Magix example above except the format is hh:mm:ss;ff all the time. SMPTE Non-Drop (29.97 fps, Video) is formatted the same as Magix - hh:mm:ss:ff. Time & Frame is hh:mm:ss.ff. There are many other options, but the pattern is the same as Magix. I'm assuming that the non-Movie Studio (full) version is similar.

I can't remember if Premiere does the same thing since it's been a while since I used it, but I'm pretty sure that if you set up the project correctly it should.


Thank you so much for understanding, and for time you spent on writing! I'll try to compare two videos with the different fram rate, and i'll do my best to figurate out.
And that for Mgix MEP11 is an good example, so, unfortunately it should be the same for Premiere.
And can you tell me please, what is a difference between Non-Drop i Drop? I need to know when i start new project...

But there is one interesting thing, if it is like that, then probably options for frame rate(above project frame rate) should be unavailable in export settings. Anyway now i will chechk everyhing, and try to see any difference.
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Postby VEGETA_LSSJ » Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:49 am

I'm not exactly sure what Premiere normally does, but if you go from 25 fps to 30 fps, the program has to somehow add 5 fps to make up the difference. Depending on the settings, this may mean sped up footage or extra frames. The sure way to find out is to compare the videos side by side and analyze the frames.

I use Magix MEP11 and when I change the project settings from 29.97 fps to 24 fps, the number of 'frame slots' changes. Above the timeline is a timecode with the format of mm:ss:ff and if the project is long enough, hh:mm:ss:ff where hh=hours, mm=minutes, ss=seconds, ff=frames.

When set to 29.97 fps (30 fps), the count goes 00:00:00, 00:00:01, 00:00:02, ... 00:00:29, 00:01:00, 00:01:01, etc.

When set to 24 fps, the count goes 00:00:00, 00:00:01, 00:00:02, ... 00:00:23, 00:01:00, 00:01:01, etc. Same goes for 25 fps.

Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum allows you to set the 'frame slots' in the Project Properties on the Ruler tab. If set for SMPTE Drop (29.97 fps, Video), which I think is the default, the timecode is the same as my Magix example above except the format is hh:mm:ss;ff all the time. SMPTE Non-Drop (29.97 fps, Video) is formatted the same as Magix - hh:mm:ss:ff. Time & Frame is hh:mm:ss.ff. There are many other options, but the pattern is the same as Magix. I'm assuming that the non-Movie Studio (full) version is similar.

I can't remember if Premiere does the same thing since it's been a while since I used it, but I'm pretty sure that if you set up the project correctly it should.


Thank you so much for understanding, and for time you spent on writing! I'll try to compare two videos with the different fram rate, and i'll do my best to figurate out.
And that for Mgix MEP11 is an good example, so, unfortunately it should be the same for Premiere.
And can you tell me please, what is a difference between Non-Drop i Drop? I need to know when i start new project...And should i set DV AV 30 frames or AVI 30 frames in project settings next time?

It is ok if you dont have time to answer, you already helped me alot, so i'll do my best.

But there is one interesting thing, if it is like that, then probably options for frame rate(above project frame rate) should be unavailable in export settings. Anyway now i will chechk everyhing, and try to see any difference.
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Postby Willen » Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:30 am

Here's a link to a PDF file that explains the difference between drop-frame and non-drop-frame timecodes: PremiereTimecode.pdf

Here's the important part:
When you use drop-frame timecode, Premiere 5.x adjusts the frame numbering so that an hour-long video has its last frame labeled 01:00:00:00.

...instead of 00:59:26:12 which is what the timecode would actually label the last frame at for an hour long video if you used non-drop-frame timecode. It's really only important if you are actually counting the frames or using them to determine time. Drop-frame or non-drop-frame timecodes only change how the frames are counted, it doesn't have any effect on the actual frames or frame rate.
Drop-frame timecode only drops numbers that refer to the frames, and not the actual frames.
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Postby VEGETA_LSSJ » Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:39 pm

Man! this really helped me! thanks a lot!
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