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Re: What to do!?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:09 pm

Why are you even talking about subtitles? WHO THE HELL EDITS WITH SUBTITLES?!
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Re: What to do!?

Postby kickass331 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:42 pm

Pwolf wrote:Why are you even talking about subtitles? WHO THE HELL EDITS WITH SUBTITLES?!

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Re: What to do!?

Postby kickass331 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:44 pm

kickass331 wrote:
Pwolf wrote:Why are you even talking about subtitles? WHO THE HELL EDITS WITH SUBTITLES?!

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Re: What to do!?

Postby Athena » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:49 pm

This thread is:

A) In the wrong forum. He's asking about Blu-ray and Blu-ray alternatives. Sounds more like a General Video question.

B) Getting lamer by the moment.

I think Nya effectively answered the question, and waffle pointed out that players are now cheap.

Get a player. Use a well established ripper. I'm testing out MakeMKV, because the process is a bit more limited on Mac, but there are several options on the windows side. ??? Profit! Alternately, if you own (and only if you own!) the Blu-ray discs already, you may acquire MKVs elsewhere.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Panky » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:56 pm

Right, this is more into the Video forums. You can use a GUI for extracting video files from the container MKV (here), convert that video to lossless (so it's less buggy; there are many guides in the main site explaining that) and then edit with the resulting video track (and/or audio track).
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:10 pm

kickass331 wrote:
kickass331 wrote:
Pwolf wrote:Why are you even talking about subtitles? WHO THE HELL EDITS WITH SUBTITLES?!



I don't see any subtitles in that video....
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Re: What to do!?

Postby kickass331 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:11 pm

Panky wrote:Right, this is more into the Video forums. You can use a GUI for extracting video files from the container MKV (here), convert that video to lossless (so it's less buggy; there are many guides in the main site explaining that) and then edit with the resulting video track (and/or audio track).


I've found that mpeg-2 ts or mpeg-4 mp4 files are much better for source material, as long as the bitrate is about 2-3x that of the highest bitrate you would encode your amv at, for example 10mbps fpor AVC sd, 14mbps for mpeg-2 sd widescreen ( 12 for 4:3), and for 720p or 1080p, I haven't done much, but I'd say 720p 25mps and 1080p 50mbps+, also for 1080p, you have to have a really good computer, and the encoding program you use should support at least some gpu help, unless you have a mt encoder and quad core, hexacore, octo core etc. or at least dual core with A LOT of free time, or overnight.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby kickass331 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:14 pm

Pwolf wrote:
I don't see any subtitles in that video....

if you turn on the ffdshow tryouts subtitles filter in mpc-hc you can manually select the two subtitle options. it will not work on a ps3. If you don't see subs then I guess you have never watched fansubs, in which case you are too rich to be my friend (sorry, I don't like people that have more money spent on dvds of anime than my house and hummer h3 )
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:25 pm

kickass331 wrote:i'm talking about things like karaoke in ass files and such, like gg's r2 subs.


You weren't before.

kickass331 wrote:Some people like leaving their source intact, and allowing people with high resolution monitors to allow for native hd subs on sd media. Also, it is nice to have the option to turn off repositioned subtitles for things like signs and editor's notes, when they detract from the image because they are given absolute placement relative to the resolution. the name slipped my mind, but you can see this on a lot of dvds that have multiple english subtitle selections, for titles and subs, subs, or just karaoke subs, etc. with vegas, only option is to have all three at the same res as the video burned into the image, aka hard subs, which can look terrible on hdtvs, even after upscaled. code geass r2 is 720p and on my 1920x1200 16:10 monitor everything is FABULOUS (pun intended) since KFX are on the black borders at top and bottom and are at full hd resolution. I am getting a 2560x1600 monitor and the impact of softsubs will be twice as grand on that. It is still better even on 16:9 tvs, however.


kickass331 wrote:I've found that mpeg-2 ts or mpeg-4 mp4 files are much better for source material, as long as the bitrate is about 2-3x that of the highest bitrate you would encode your amv at, for example 10mbps fpor AVC sd, 14mbps for mpeg-2 sd widescreen ( 12 for 4:3), and for 720p or 1080p, I haven't done much, but I'd say 720p 25mps and 1080p 50mbps+, also for 1080p, you have to have a really good computer, and the encoding program you use should support at least some gpu help, unless you have a mt encoder and quad core, hexacore, octo core etc. or at least dual core with A LOT of free time, or overnight.


kickass331 wrote:if you turn on the ffdshow tryouts subtitles filter in mpc-hc you can manually select the two subtitle options. it will not work on a ps3. If you don't see subs then I guess you have never watched fansubs, in which case you are too rich to be my friend (sorry, I don't like people that have more money spent on dvds of anime than my house and hummer h3 )


kickass331 wrote:My e-penis is larger.


GTFO troll.
I'll be visiting this thread to see your reply but won't bother to reply anymore. See you in another thread where you'll be spouting your nonsenses.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:25 pm

kickass331 wrote:
Pwolf wrote:
I don't see any subtitles in that video....

if you turn on the ffdshow tryouts subtitles filter in mpc-hc you can manually select the two subtitle options. it will not work on a ps3. If you don't see subs then I guess you have never watched fansubs, in which case you are too rich to be my friend (sorry, I don't like people that have more money spent on dvds of anime than my house and hummer h3 )


My original point was, what do soft subs have to do with editing? all of that is done in post... and has nothing to do with what the original poster wanted.

PS: Other point was I watched the preview and didn't download it... so using softsubs was pointless :P
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Re: What to do!?

Postby mirkosp » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:30 pm

kickass331 wrote:I'd say 720p 25mps and 1080p 50mbps+, also for 1080p, you have to have a really good computer, and the encoding program you use should support at least some gpu help, unless you have a mt encoder and quad core, hexacore, octo core etc. or at least dual core with A LOT of free time, or overnight.

You seem to imply that x264 is a less than optimal choice (since it doesn't support gpu encoding, at least as of yet), and that Npass bitrate based encoding is better than crf encoding. :roll:
I will back you up on mpeg-2 ts being a not too bad of a source, tho, especially when compared to most PAL and some R1s alternatives. Jap DVDs/Blu-rays tend to still be the best option though. Besides those cases in which only DVD is released, and it is fucked up, and the show actually aired HD (Chaos;Head, Durarara, etc...), or shitty upscaled Blu-rays (Air, Qwaser, Macross Zero, etc...).
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:36 pm

mirkosp wrote:
kickass331 wrote:or shitty upscaled Blu-rays (Air, Qwaser, Macross Zero, etc...).


You must have a crappy blu of Macross Zero then :P
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Re: What to do!?

Postby mirkosp » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:40 pm

Pwolf wrote:
mirkosp wrote:
kickass331 wrote:or shitty upscaled Blu-rays (Air, Qwaser, Macross Zero, etc...).


You must have a crappy blu of Macross Zero then :P


Dude, Macross Zero was a very bad upscale. I had to do antialiasing 3 times to get rid of most of it, and then some was left here and there still. It was just 720p and not 1080p, too, and it was so obvious it was sad.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:00 pm

mirkosp wrote:Dude, Macross Zero was a very bad upscale. I had to do antialiasing 3 times to get rid of most of it, and then some was left here and there still. It was just 720p and not 1080p, too, and it was so obvious it was sad.


I take that back... it's been a while... but it's still "HD" and not an upscale from the DVD, i know that for sure :P
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Re: What to do!?

Postby kickass331 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:05 pm

mirkosp wrote:
kickass331 wrote:I'd say 720p 25mps and 1080p 50mbps+, also for 1080p, you have to have a really good computer, and the encoding program you use should support at least some gpu help, unless you have a mt encoder and quad core, hexacore, octo core etc. or at least dual core with A LOT of free time, or overnight.

You seem to imply that x264 is a less than optimal choice (since it doesn't support gpu encoding, at least as of yet), and that Npass bitrate based encoding is better than crf encoding. :roll:
I will back you up on mpeg-2 ts being a not too bad of a source, tho, especially when compared to most PAL and some R1s alternatives. Jap DVDs/Blu-rays tend to still be the best option though. Besides those cases in which only DVD is released, and it is fucked up, and the show actually aired HD (Chaos;Head, Durarara, etc...), or shitty upscaled Blu-rays (Air, Qwaser, Macross Zero, etc...).

I always use x264, it is the best codec in the world until h265 comes out (joint effort by mpeg and 3rd party), VC-1 is a joke, and MPEG-2 is outdated, but still commonplace (like in atsc and IDVB-T)
I don't do multipass since it's more likely to fail in vegas, since vegas is optimized for 1 pass. Also, I don't do vfr encoding, I always use IVTC material, when I get blu-rays it will be film material. There is no need for vfr, that is unrelated to bitrate. Also, can you link to some Qwaser HD screencaps and some good HD Anime screencaps for reference. Of course this would have to be Japanese Blu-Ray, since I have 5 R1 blu-rays, the best looking ones being Evangelion 1.11 and FullMetal Alchemist : The Conqueror of Shamballa
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