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What to do!?

Postby Regios » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:13 am

Hello AMV

I've been pondering on what to do lately about an anime which I wish to make into an AMV.
I have, as always, bought it in BluRay format, so I can play it on my PS3 and enjoy full quality. But seeing as I don't have a BluRay drive for my PC I have come to the conclusion that I need to acquire my material source elsewhere.
That also at a lower quality.
My thought now is what editing software accepts .mkv files or do I need to convert these as well!?
Or do I really need to buy a new optical drive + editing software to fill the gaps? :cry:

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Re: What to do!?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:27 am

Converting .mkv can be done in PC via AviSynth/VirtualDub, that's fairly everything you need. It takes time, but it's well worth it.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Regios » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:39 am

Thanks for your answer Nya-chan :)
I bought WinAvi Video Converter for a fair price and it has done what I wanted. But I'll check those two app's out the same. Another question would be, is Windows Live Movie Maker adequate at editing the actual video clips or do I have to grasp once again in my wallet?
Honestly I did expect that i'd had to pay up at some point, but what software am I looking for? Adobe Premiere, Aftereffects and/or that Sony application?
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:54 am

Converting can be totally priceless - and it's usually better. It looks slightly more difficult at the first glance, but after some time you'll understand it and will convert without any money input. AviSynth and VirtualDub are totally freesource.

As for the editing, you'll probably want to start with Premiere or Vegas. After Effects is for something else - advanced effects, vector work, work with text. For most editing you see on these pages, Premiere/Vegas and some graphics editor (PhotoShop, Illustrator, free GIMP, etc) is enough. There are also some other choices (like WMM, Blender (primarily aimed for use with 3D modelling), Cinelerra, Magix (which you may want to try too), or, hell, you can even edit using AviSynth, if you have the guts to do so!), but most people will tell you these two are the best.

As for the choice, the best bet if you consider buying one of them is trying them out. They both provide Trial downloads, which you can compare and decide what you want. And don't forget that both of them (iirc, Vegas does for sure) provide student discounts, so they are quite affordable if you study.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Regios » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:58 am

Thank you very much for your feedback. It's been helpful and I look forward to what I can come up with :).
Enjoy yourself and once again thanks.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Pwolf » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:15 pm

you can buy bluray drives for about $80 now.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby kickass331 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:17 pm

avisynth, megui, sony vegas pro, mpc hc, ffdshow, adobe photoshop, after effects, aegisub... all you need then is TIVTC, DGIndex, DVDDecrypter, IMGBurn, msmooth, asharpen, derainbow, and undot
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:35 pm

kickass331 wrote:avisynth, megui, sony vegas pro, mpc hc, ffdshow, adobe photoshop, after effects, aegisub... all you need then is TIVTC, DGIndex, DVDDecrypter, IMGBurn, msmooth, asharpen, derainbow, and undot

Okay, while you understand this field, you have made a few mistakes here.

1) The most important - you spew a lots of terms at a begineer who just asked which program to get and how to get something to play. At this point, your message would just confuse him.

2) Why have 3 editing programs when you can use just one? |:

3) MeGUI causes memory leaks - it's better to use ZarxGUI or simply learn how to encode using command line.

4) Why would you need Aegisub for EDITING?

Basically I see your message as a self-ego booster. "Hey, I have all of these and can work with them." Which might be true and I don't say it's wrong, but it's not helping the person at all.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby kickass331 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:33 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:
kickass331 wrote:avisynth, megui, sony vegas pro, mpc hc, ffdshow, adobe photoshop, after effects, aegisub... all you need then is TIVTC, DGIndex, DVDDecrypter, IMGBurn, msmooth, asharpen, derainbow, and undot

Okay, while you understand this field, you have made a few mistakes here.

1) The most important - you spew a lots of terms at a begineer who just asked which program to get and how to get something to play. At this point, your message would just confuse him.

2) Why have 3 editing programs when you can use just one? |:

3) MeGUI causes memory leaks - it's better to use ZarxGUI or simply learn how to encode using command line.

4) Why would you need Aegisub for EDITING?

Basically I see your message as a self-ego booster. "Hey, I have all of these and can work with them." Which might be true and I don't say it's wrong, but it's not helping the person at all.


I listed programs since providing guides would take pages and well written ones are readily available. The last time I used meGUI was like 3 years ago (haven't edited for around 3 years except a tiny bit) and I never heard of ZarxGUI, plus I don't like CLI editing, since there are wrappers for CLI tools that allow you to update x264.exe frequently for example, meGUI autoupdates so it's great. My memory can take a leak on the floor for all I care. Also, Aegisub works wonders when doing fake anime ops or AMVs where the song is german, russian, japanese etc. / parodies of trailers and such. Vegas is a video editor, Photoshop is for images, necessary for chroma keying and making banners and poster like things to promote your amv on the forum, after effects allows for complex manipulation of individual scenes, in case you want to whore effects, or make something complicated like a collage of sorts, or a matrix, and /or use 3d effects that are more complicated to manipulate the z axis. If someone is unwilling to do the research when I provide them with a list, then it's their loss, I rather not waste time reiterating the basics of editing. I, myself have mastered encoding, ftp, irc, ripping, subbing, and now just have to learn blu-ray, dxva, cuda, gpu encoding, web hosting, and how in the hell to make an amv that isn't completely terrible. The last one I've been working on the longest.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:53 pm

Okay, now read the first post carefully... does it sound like a guy who can understand what is "TIVTC, DGIndex, DVDDecrypter, IMGBurn, msmooth, asharpen, derainbow, and undot" and that you can use Aegisub while making not AMVs in literal sense (btw, the thing you mentioned can be done in Vegas/Premiere too, since OPs and such have mostly static subs).

"since there are wrappers for CLI tools that allow you to update x264.exe frequently for example, meGUI autoupdates"
Heard of RSS feeds and such? :)
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Qyot27 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:55 pm

Eh, convenience is compiling x264 yourself, as long as you know what you're doing. Takes probably no more than 10 minutes for me, and my setup is almost 9 years old (note: that's just x264, not x264+lavf+ffms2 which a lot of the new builds are since the ability was introduced back in the middle of January).

Thing is, though, the response of even a nominal 'advanced' editors to that idea is going to be similar to that of a newbie hearing a bunch of technical terms thrown at them for the first time, because most nominal 'advanced' editors don't compile things themselves, it's only a small subset that do (and I'd wager that most of them probably have at least a working relationship with Linux, which is part of the reason why).
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Re: What to do!?

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Re: What to do!?

Postby kickass331 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:20 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:Okay, now read the first post carefully... does it sound like a guy who can understand what is "TIVTC, DGIndex, DVDDecrypter, IMGBurn, msmooth, asharpen, derainbow, and undot" and that you can use Aegisub while making not AMVs in literal sense (btw, the thing you mentioned can be done in Vegas/Premiere too, since OPs and such have mostly static subs).

"since there are wrappers for CLI tools that allow you to update x264.exe frequently for example, meGUI autoupdates"
Heard of RSS feeds and such? :)

name one non linear video editor that supports soft subs. Also, I will never install an RSS reader and nobody should because they are both annoying, a waste of resources, etc. only processes I run are stripped down windows core, steam, and utorrent. Everything else is given idle priority, and I don't run antivirus since I don't get viruses.
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Re: What to do!?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:45 pm

kickass331 wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:Okay, now read the first post carefully... does it sound like a guy who can understand what is "TIVTC, DGIndex, DVDDecrypter, IMGBurn, msmooth, asharpen, derainbow, and undot" and that you can use Aegisub while making not AMVs in literal sense (btw, the thing you mentioned can be done in Vegas/Premiere too, since OPs and such have mostly static subs).

"since there are wrappers for CLI tools that allow you to update x264.exe frequently for example, meGUI autoupdates"
Heard of RSS feeds and such? :)

name one non linear video editor that supports soft subs. Also, I will never install an RSS reader and nobody should because they are both annoying, a waste of resources, etc. only processes I run are stripped down windows core, steam, and utorrent. Everything else is given idle priority, and I don't run antivirus since I don't get viruses.

Excuse me, but the last time I checked, the actual openings (not karaoke, but credits and such) weren't softsubbed, but in the image.

And I think I should stop talking to you, since I might offend you, Mr. 1337 h4x0r :)
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Re: What to do!?

Postby kickass331 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:04 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:
kickass331 wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:Okay, now read the first post carefully... does it sound like a guy who can understand what is "TIVTC, DGIndex, DVDDecrypter, IMGBurn, msmooth, asharpen, derainbow, and undot" and that you can use Aegisub while making not AMVs in literal sense (btw, the thing you mentioned can be done in Vegas/Premiere too, since OPs and such have mostly static subs).

"since there are wrappers for CLI tools that allow you to update x264.exe frequently for example, meGUI autoupdates"
Heard of RSS feeds and such? :)

name one non linear video editor that supports soft subs. Also, I will never install an RSS reader and nobody should because they are both annoying, a waste of resources, etc. only processes I run are stripped down windows core, steam, and utorrent. Everything else is given idle priority, and I don't run antivirus since I don't get viruses.

Excuse me, but the last time I checked, the actual openings (not karaoke, but credits and such) weren't softsubbed, but in the image.

And I think I should stop talking to you, since I might offend you, Mr. 1337 h4x0r :)


i'm talking about things like karaoke in ass files and such, like gg's r2 subs. Some people like leaving their source intact, and allowing people with high resolution monitors to allow for native hd subs on sd media. Also, it is nice to have the option to turn off repositioned subtitles for things like signs and editor's notes, when they detract from the image because they are given absolute placement relative to the resolution. the name slipped my mind, but you can see this on a lot of dvds that have multiple english subtitle selections, for titles and subs, subs, or just karaoke subs, etc. with vegas, only option is to have all three at the same res as the video burned into the image, aka hard subs, which can look terrible on hdtvs, even after upscaled. code geass r2 is 720p and on my 1920x1200 16:10 monitor everything is FABULOUS (pun intended) since KFX are on the black borders at top and bottom and are at full hd resolution. I am getting a 2560x1600 monitor and the impact of softsubs will be twice as grand on that. It is still better even on 16:9 tvs, however.
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