EDIT: Mac CS4 can open Premiere Pro 1 projects, BUT NOT REVERSE. Mac CS4 will change the Pro 1 project file to CS4 project format. Both editors need CS4 to be compatible.I just caught that. Should have made it really clear.
CaedenVintori wrote:Thanks Kionon, you are the only person here who seems to know what you are talking about! Ive been searching for "huffyuv for mac" and such for days and this never came up. We will give it a try and let you know if we need more help.
Mister Hatt is a professional encoder. He knows what he's talking about, but he sometimes assumes everyone else does as well. He also can levy a bit too much brevity. We all can when dealing with subjects we know really well.
Mirkosp is a moderator, and while a fairly recent addition to the org family, a welcome one. He has learned a lot in a short time, and usually does indeed know what he is talking about. His knowledge of Mac is secondhand though, usually from me. I try to keep him abreast of developments and tests that I do. He can usually answer questions on the basis of what we discuss. Here he did not explain his advocacy of x264, but it will run on Mac as he suggests.
Post-it has largely been incoherent for years. His diatribes are usually completely meaningless, and you should take a large grain of salt with anything he tells you. He will, of course, argue this, and I have nothing personally against him, but he does do a rather good job of obfuscating the issue at hand in any given conversation he enters.
As for me, I am pretty much the Org's go-to-guy for Mac. I spend a fair portion of my time specifically running tests, checking new software, and reading/writing guides for editing on the Mac. I own three G4s and two Intels. I almost never boot into windows. I am pretty much entirely Mac based for everything. I run any needed programs, such as AviSynth, via wine-based derivative Crossover. There's still a lot about using AviSynth and encoding I don't know, but what I do know, I know the ins and outs of on Mac.
CaedenVintori wrote:OK, so it ends up that he already had Perian, and huff is on the list of supported formats, but it did not work. Is this because it was an .avi? and what is the easiest way to switch to a .mov? just export from Premiere?
Mac in general can run HUFFYUV AVI files just fine, if you mean the OS. Once Perian is installed, you can run it in QuickTime or any QuickTime enabled product (with notable exceptions, which we will discuss). Of course, it will also show up in a host of other players with HUFFYUV internal support like MPlayerOSX or VLC.
I've brought this up repeatedly across the forums. Premiere and Final Cut, for whatever reason, seem to once in a while take AVI files. Most of the time, they look at you and say, "Uh, no. I don't think so." In that case, you do need to use the MOV container. Since using AVI files is so rarely a winning prospect, I don't even argue with the editors anymore, and use MOV automatically. I believe it has something to do with the way the suites read the codec/container combination that differs from what it expects via the Perian QuickTime component, and so they refuse to run HUFFYUV in AVI because they can't understand how that combination can be used to edit with. But this is pure speculation based on the fact that AMV editors are NOT the intended demographic for the editing suites, and professional or prosumer users of the suites are expected to use their own footage and stick to the formats offered by their platform, AVI or MOV, and with the codecs usually associated with those containers. AMV editors just, bluntly put, do things that the products are not marketed for, and we are certainly not catered to by Apple or Adobe like professionals or prosumers are.
Use MPEGStreamClip for changing containers. Use the Save As function. Do not export (that reencodes). You want to simply move the HUFFYUV stream into a MOV container.
Assuming that Premiere Pro can use HUFFYUV in MOV on windows, if you are sharing a joint project, stick to that. Because if you edit in windows with avi files, and then bring the project over to Mac, you're going to run into errors, and the bait and switch method may not work because Premiere will yell at you about the switched out MOV not being the same format as the AVI it replaced on the timeline.
If Premiere Pro on windows can't handle MOV (and I don't see why it shouldn't) or has trouble with the MOVs you produce in MPEGStreamClip, get back to me, and we'll try to figure something out. I'll go into BootCamp and try to find out a crossplatform FORMAT (as opposed to a crossplatform CODEC, which is not your issue here). In the end, Mirko may be right, and the only crossplatform CODEC/CONTAINER combo might be lossless x264/MP4.
We'll cross that bridge if and/or when we get there.