Editable + storeable format?

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Editable + storeable format?

Postby Spigy » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:01 pm

Hello all!

First of all I would like to make it clear that I know of the guides, but I would like straight answers.

I've been making amvs for quite some time now. Nothing professional, I just got better as time past. Luckily I seem to have a talent for this :P I am at a stage where quality of the videos I make should be crisp as possible and just good. I'm working on a Naruto AMV series and I would like this to be a project I can keep doing until the anime finishes so I'm just going to be very specific here.

Here is where I stand:

1. I have downloaded Dattebayo and Taka Shippuuden episodes. I am also collecting and not just getting them for AMVs. Since I like to re-watch from time to time along with other anime.

2. I use Vegas 7, as you all probably know these files cannot be used for editing as they either have no video stream or lag like crazy.

3. So, I convert them to mpeg2 (848x480 with the new eps)...which solves my editing problems, but quality itself is not too great.
Why? Same quality in mpeg would equal triple the size and I am going for around 250mb/episode. Having each episode double makes no sense and I want to have episodes with storeable size, I delete the original.

Now it has been ok until now, but seeing more and more HD vids up on youtube makes me want to get rid of those fast scenes which end up quite pixeled after conversion.

So I came here to ask. Into what format do you convert the downloaded episodes so the quality doesn't drop too much and the size doesn't go through the roof?

Or is this even possible? Should I start converting 500mb+ mpeg2 episodes and get used to it? Obviously uncompressed is not an option for me since that's not storeable.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby The Origonal Head Hunter » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:39 pm

"Don't use downloaded footage" aside, I'd recommend that instead of converting full episodes you convert small clips in lossless format with VirtualDub or VirtualDubMod. It requires more planning on your part, but its the best space saver you'll get with what you want to do.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby Zarxrax » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:51 pm

Don't get fansubs. They are most often based on tv captures rather than dvds (bad point #1), and they are reencoded from the original raws (bad point #2)

And don't recompress them to yet ANOTHER lossy format like mpeg2 (bad point #3)
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby mirkosp » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:44 am

Zarxrax wrote:Don't get fansubs. They are most often based on tv captures rather than dvds (bad point #1), and they are reencoded from the original raws (bad point #2)

:roll:
point #1 - Most groups re-release the series once they get out in DVD/BRD, so the tv captures statement only holds up for series that groups didn't bother to rip or newer series which aren't out on dvd/brd yet.
point #2 - Depends on what you mean. For TV captures, they use the transport streams (which aren't too bad depending on the channel they come from), for shows on DVD/BRD, they use, well... VOB and m2ts? :P That's for non-noobish subbers, tho. Groups that aren't too good re-encode from some mp4 raw or just mux the subs with them...

But it doesn't change the fact that their final encode is still lossy so ultimately not ideal solution to start working from.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby Spigy » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:15 pm

Seriously guys...don't use downloaded footage.

Great, but how the heck am I supposed to do my vids if I don't get the episodes? :)
It's not like they are up on the net in dvd format. A trip to japan would be costly, not to mention buying each disk.

But it seems I got my answer, looks like all you guys work with are dvd footage. I'll continue as is I guess.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby Zarxrax » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:49 pm

Spigy wrote:It's not like they are up on the net in dvd format.

The net has everything.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby Spigy » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:23 pm

Ok, final question. Is there anyone here who has Naruto Shippuuden dvds? :)
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby hasteroth » Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:28 pm

Spigy wrote:Ok, final question. Is there anyone here who has Naruto Shippuuden dvds? :)


/me sighs

rant about using Naruto to make an AMV aside.

There's such a thing as ordering your DVDs THROUGH THE INTERNET.

Google is a useful tool, USE IT.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby Spigy » Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:09 pm

Wow, you totally helped me out! Google!!!

Being a little judgmental towards Naruto? :)
What is it? No great AMV maker uses commercial anime? Elitist answers is all I got so far :) So much for the home of amvs...

Btw not everyone is a noob if they ask a question. Besides that last one was half an answer to the previous post. Since I doubt people will come by the dozens saying "I do". I am glad you took your time and replied to my post, but was it helpful? No. Was it necessary? No.

My reaction was when I read your post?/sigh

So you just made a post that is exactly like the one you sigh about :D gz
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby Scintilla » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:29 pm

Spigy wrote:Being a little judgmental towards Naruto? :)

Ignore him. There are tons of great Naruto AMVs out there, as you probably already know.

Spigy wrote:What is it? No great AMV maker uses commercial anime?

But I'm not sure what you mean by this, because almost all anime is commercial...

Spigy wrote:Elitist answers is all I got so far :) So much for the home of amvs...

Btw not everyone is a noob if they ask a question. Besides that last one was half an answer to the previous post. Since I doubt people will come by the dozens saying "I do". I am glad you took your time and replied to my post, but was it helpful? No. Was it necessary? No.

My reaction was when I read your post?/sigh

So you just made a post that is exactly like the one you sigh about :D gz

... and the entire rest of your post was just blatant trolling.

Still, here's a real answer for you: Even if anyone did have Naruto Shippuden DVDs, it would be against the Forum Rules (which you had to read when you signed up for this forum) to discuss sharing VOBs or ISOs. We can be banned without warning for posts like that.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby Spigy » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:23 pm

I was going to ignore his whole post, but he was being so smart that I thought I should sigh back.

By commercial anime, I was thinking of the few that are known by basically everyone around the globe. The ones that get the big hype.

And the entire rest of my post is only directed at one person so why you bothered to quote it is beyond me. Besides how can I be trolling my own thread? It looks like though that it still not clear what I asked there...simple question though. Does anyone have DVDs? I DON'T THINK SO and that was the point. Who said anything about sharing...

But enough about me and this thread. Didn't get the answers I was looking for, but a person can't always get what he wants.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby Zarxrax » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:44 pm

Look, you complained that the quality of your videos is not that great. I told you a number of possible reasons WHY it's probably not that great. Like it or not, that's the reality.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby The Origonal Head Hunter » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:25 pm

Spigy wrote:But enough about me and this thread. Didn't get the answers I was looking for, but a person can't always get what he wants.



WAT.

I wrote:I'd recommend that instead of converting full episodes you convert small clips in lossless format with VirtualDub or VirtualDubMod. It requires more planning on your part, but its the best space saver you'll get with what you want to do.
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Re: Editable + storeable format?

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Re: Editable + storeable format?

Postby Emotive » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:37 am

The Origonal Head Hunter wrote:"Don't use downloaded footage" aside, I'd recommend that instead of converting full episodes you convert small clips in lossless format with VirtualDub or VirtualDubMod. It requires more planning on your part, but its the best space saver you'll get with what you want to do.

That's the method I use as well for any anime series, when I'm not able to use dvds. I go through the episodes searching for the scene I want to use, find it, convert it to a lossless format (lagarith, for example) then import it to my editing program of choice and use it.

For the last thing I edited I used a 26 episode series and needed around 7gb in total (including the lossless export of the video itself I think) with this method. But really, don't expect to convert whole episodes to the point where they're 250mb each and have good quality (at least not in a format you can edit with)..

When using dvds, it's MUCH less of a pain though - working with .d2v's (a.k.a. using a whole dvd consuming up to 4-5gb without spending almost any encoding time) is perfect. So they're highly recommended either way.
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