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AviC FourCC ISSUE please help?

Postby AesthetiX » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:18 pm

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Postby AesthetiX » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:19 pm

I can't find out the correct way to use divx footage in vegas?
I like tryed all the combinations like
div3 x div4
and a bunch of others but my footage comes out ruined! it doesn't show anything clearly its just a green pixely bar at the top
help me because I JUST LOST ALL MY DIVX DUE TO THIS X|
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Postby Infinity Squared » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:25 pm

Try turning your DivX footage into some lossless codec like Lagarith or HuffYUV using VirtualDub first and then using that on Vegas. Vegas is a bit picky like that.
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Postby Scintilla » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:30 pm

For more details:

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Postby AesthetiX » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:50 pm

Infinity Squared wrote:Try turning your DivX footage into some lossless codec like Lagarith or HuffYUV using VirtualDub first and then using that on Vegas. Vegas is a bit picky like that.


files come out too big
I only have 60 gigs of space in my pc IN ALL X-[
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:53 pm

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Postby AesthetiX » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:11 pm

anyone?
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Postby Infinity Squared » Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:37 pm

Bashar just said a good recommendation... don't turn entire episodes into lossless stuff. Pick and choose the bits you will need to save on space. Because whatever you do, experience of most Vegas users here will tell you what Scintilla's image is flashing ;)
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Postby post-it » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:32 am

the most widely used Codec's are FLV, SWL, RM, Divx, Xvid and Mpeg but, these are FINAL CODEC's ( the Final Step in Finishing your Project. )

if you MUST use something that is COMPRESSED then use Indio5.0 -- it is used by almost every Editor ever made ( 1993 to present )

Sure your video may take a lot of time to encode at 100% but its as close to RAW/MOV ( .mov is a MAC type of AVI ) as you can get.

if not, then look for any codec that say's Video For Windows ( VFW Standards )
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Postby Scintilla » Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:52 pm

post-it wrote:if you MUST use something that is COMPRESSED then use Indio5.0 -- it is used by almost every Editor ever made ( 1993 to present )

I've got a better idea: how about using something that is LOSSLESS (no generational quality loss, replicates the image data exactly), well known to work with Vegas, and NOT OLD AS HELL? Something like, I dunno, <b>HuffYUV</b> or <b>Lagarith</b> (both of which were suggested upthread)?

post-it wrote:Sure your video may take a lot of time to encode at 100% but its as close to RAW/MOV ( .mov is a MAC type of AVI ) as you can get.

Where the hell did you get the idea that QuickTime (.MOV, as you say) is equivalent in quality to raw? The QuickTime format is a CONTAINER, just like .AVI, that supports many different video codecs, most of which are lossy. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but most of the QuickTime files available on the internet (many of which are movie trailers, from what I've seen) are nowhere near big enough to be lossless.

post-it wrote:if not, then look for any codec that say's Video For Windows ( VFW Standards )

In other words, just about ANY VIDEO CODEC that can be shoved into the AVI container, INCLUDING DivX? Yeah, that worked so well for the OP, didn't it?
Or did you not bother to read the <s>first</s> second post?
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Postby post-it » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:02 am

let the war begin ( again! )

AVI is not an Apple/MAC standard.

MOV is not an IBM/PC/UNIX/MicroSoft/Craig/Alice standard.

MPG is the only standard that both PC's and Apple can agree on!

there is no way that Apple nor MicroSoft could have EVER forseen something other than the Codec's that are supplied with the OEM Packages "ever working right" if they were not tested and rejected before the versions are released! ( Win95, Win98, OS 7.5, OS 9, OS X, the NT series, Vista, Unix ... )

If MP4, Xvid, Divx, RM, FLV, MKS, FLA, FLC, Sorenson's Quicktime were designed to work with OS-10+ -or- Microsofts XP/Vista then, they would have had the Encoders for THOSE codec's contained within the OEM Packages. Indeo 5.0 IS part of the OEM Package... you want Loss-Less, save it RAW......Arrow Shot through the Heart on that subject.
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Postby Scintilla » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:42 am

post-it wrote:AVI is not an Apple/MAC standard.

MOV is not an IBM/PC/UNIX/MicroSoft/Craig/Alice standard.

MPG is the only standard that both PC's and Apple can agree on!

That's wonderful, and you're right that MPEG-1 is the most widely compatible thing out there. But you will appreciate the fact that I did not say a single thing about MPEG in my post.

post-it wrote:there is no way that Apple nor MicroSoft could have EVER forseen something other than the Codec's that are supplied with the OEM Packages "ever working right" if they were not tested and rejected before the versions are released! ( Win95, Win98, OS 7.5, OS 9, OS X, the NT series, Vista, Unix ... )

If MP4, Xvid, Divx, RM, FLV, MKS, FLA, FLC, Sorenson's Quicktime were designed to work with OS-10+ -or- Microsofts XP/Vista then, they would have had the Encoders for THOSE codec's contained within the OEM Packages.

And if Microsoft had not intended for other developers to develop codecs that could be used in the AVI container, they wouldn't have released the VFW specifications. Why exactly does it matter whether or not a codec's contained in an OS's OEM package, if it has been <i>proven to work, just as well as those that are included,</i> with the container in question?

Even if Indeo does play nice with Vegas, you're still going to be taking a big video quality hit if you recompress to it. (Last I checked, Indeo couldn't hold up to the newer codecs in terms of compression, holding image quality constant.) And raw is a waste of hard drive space when lossless codecs do the job just as well.
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Postby post-it » Mon Jun 04, 2007 7:06 pm

hmmm ... 8-) I can see the WE are actually on the same sides of this debate. 8-)

What Codec does everything for everybody?

A Concept Codec:

What I would like to see would be an Editor that simply Cuts the sections you want and saves those section in the original files condition ( untouched ) so you could save all these little sections and use them as you see fit -- when you need them.
And, now that you need them, it would assemble those sections into a New container ( untouched ) for something like Virtual Dub MOD to make into Xvid, MKV, Mpeg, MP4 - or whatever you like - so that it can be played on PC's while still keeping the original edits in their original untouched sections playable on a DVD player as if it were `just another Movie / TV Episode.
Its this kind of thing that Containers like AVI MPG MOV MP4 and others can not do. ?? why ?? ... simple; VFW Standards! MPG Standards!

My point is:
What Container Is This sectionable Codec ?
If its' available, where?
If not, why?
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What editor does this - I'd really like to know 8-)

Why Should we have to Decode it to use it -- that's just wrong!

Why do we have to live by THEIR standards when we want to show somebody something that WE believe is possible -- that's just wrong!

If an Editor truly cuts pieces of Video and Merges them together, what format is that?

End of Concept Codec.


which brings me back to What Codec does everything for everybody?
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Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:56 am

Go off on completely pointless tangets to cover for the fact that you're wrong much? :?
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Postby post-it » Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:57 pm

SSJNaruto245 wrote:
I can't find out the correct way to use divx footage in vegas?

don't use Divx footage, its not a valid container.

I like tryed all the combinations like div3 x div4
and a bunch of others but my footage comes out ruined!

then, don't use codec's with your editor -- it can't handle them!

it doesn't show anything clearly; its just a green pixely bar at the top

proof that your not aware of the Software laws in the US.
help me because I JUST LOST ALL MY DIVX DUE TO THIS X|


Scintilla wrote:Don't use xvid/divx


Infinity Squared wrote:Try turning your DivX footage into some lossless codec like Lagarith or HuffYUV using VirtualDub first and then using that on Vegas. Vegas is a bit picky like that.


SSJNaruto245 wrote:files come out too big


Post-it wrote:... wouldn't it ne nice if an editor could use codecs ...


BasharOfTheAges wrote:Going off on a completely pointless tangets to cover the fact that you're always wrong!


? then what editor does use codec's? there should be one besides Virtual Dub!

what the question was, from the beginning is "why won't Sony's Vegas edit container type files?"

the answer is that Sony refuses to pay Royalties to Microsoft for the use of the VFW standards as long as Microsoft is getting kick-backs from codec makers. Of these VFW Royalty Payers, Lagarith and HuffYUV are not playing that Royalties Game and the Codes for Royalties Usery is not in their Codec's Coding. Anyone who makes Software and uses someone else's Codes must state that in the Disclaimers Agreement -- its not right but, it is the MicroSoft LAW. Therefor, Sony Vegas is keeping true to the Softwares Aliance passed in 1983 and the Software will not allow Royalties Based Codec's to be used - unless you have Purchased those Codec's and the Disclaimers Waver Plug-ins, agreed upon in 1998, to proof it!

Sense everybody on this web sight but BasharOfTheAges already know this, a ranting tangent is all anybody can actually do at this point! SSJNaruto245 should have read the fine-print on the box the software can in.

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