Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

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Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Cyrix » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:28 am

Dunno for sure if this goes in Ripping or Converting/Encoding since it's both at once.

I usually figure out my own way of doing things. Half the time they're terrible workarounds but I think this is a simple and elegant way to rip DVDs (or anything) into AVIs that can be immediately edited. Of course there are advantages and disadvantages, and I'm sure I'll get a lot of flak for suggesting SUPER, but this is easy, very effective, and doesn't require any muxing, indexing, sacrificial offerings, or forbidden seal techniques.

Here's the tutorial! (assumes using standard definition NTSC DVDs)

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Well, that's pretty much it if you can figure things out for yourself, but details if you want them:
1. Open SUPER. Set it up exactly as I have it set up above, except the media file and the "other encode options" on the left. You might have to double check the audio tracks to find out which one is the language you want (if you intend to incorporate some of the original audio in your video)
2. Click the M at the top and choose Export a SUPER Settings Profile
3. Now, every time you open SUPER, it will remember most of those settings, but you have to redo the audio settings each time because it always goes back to MP3 for some reason. If all the settings are wrong you can just load that Settings Profile again.
4. Right click the box below "Drop a valid multimedia..." and choose "add multimedia file". Choose your VOB (or any other type of video).
5. If it's not already open click the "other options" button to bring up the "other encode options" window.
6. Figure out the timecode for the clip. For my example, I want a clip starting at 6:20 into the VOB and lasting for 25 seconds, so I convert minutes to seconds using the calculator ([6*60=360] + 20=380) and leave a two second buffer on each end to make sure nothing is lost.
7. Right click the box below "Drop a valid multimedia..." and choose "output file saving management". Choose where to save the file.
8. Click Encode (Active Files).
That's it! The resulting file will work immediately in something like Premiere, and doesn't require preview rendering or anything messy. You might have to have your editor convert the aspect ratio but that's it.

Advantages:
Easy process, few steps involved
All done with one program
Leaves you with just the clips you need, speeding up the editing process
Gives you DV AVI files, which are designed for editing with no discernable loss of quality during conversion.

Disadvantages:
Can be time consuming to find the clips, determine the timecodes, and rip them.
Resulting clips (DV AVI) use around 5MB/s of space, but if you have a modern hard drive and only get footage you need this isn't a huge problem
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Athena » Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:52 am

I applaud your initiative. It's admirable. Unfortunately, in this case, it is also misguided.

You're going to get flak, deservedly so, because SUPER is an piece of crap. There is absolutely no reason to use SUPER. You'll want to filter effectively, something that SUPER doesn't do. Indexing with DGindex creates an AVS file, which you can then use to apply filter commands. THEN you can choose either to clip specific portions, or you can render out entire episodes. You simply don't want to dump an encode from a VOB, unfiltered, into premiere. You should be using lossless files anyhow, like lagarith or huffyuv. I might be more discerning than others, but for me, DV is a no go, because any loss of quality is too much for me.

Also, you're not the first to offer SUPER as a solution, and you're not the first person whose enthusiasm I have dashed. Just be glad I'm not MisterHatt. Of course, he may be along shortly.
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Mister Hatt » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:08 am

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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Zarxrax » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:41 am

The main problem with super is that it is known to have hosed peoples systems, making all sorts of changes and screwing things up (yes, it did this to me, and I was very pissed).
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Mister Hatt » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:22 pm

That's quite odd Zarx, seeing as it's just a bad frontend to a crappy build of ffmpeg and mencoder. Any idea exactly what it did?

Also Cyrix, this kinda bugged me but I didn't say anything earlier, that thing you said about 2 seconds to the start and end of what you want, that's only necessary if you have no idea what a GOP is. Cut on a GOP marker and force closed GOP's, should have no problem with accuracy other than libavformat being absolutely shit when it comes to transport or program streams. Seeking in the resulting output should be faster too if you're seeking in the ripped VOB and not some transcoded format.
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Zarxrax » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:53 pm

Mister Hatt wrote:That's quite odd Zarx, seeing as it's just a bad frontend to a crappy build of ffmpeg and mencoder. Any idea exactly what it did?

It's installation rewrote the avisynth plugins directory to a different folder (it had hardcoded the folder name as "Program Files" rather than using windows pathname, so obviously this broke avisynth in 64bit windows, because the folder wasnt named "Program Files" anymore). On doom9 a long time ago people were talking about how it changed their codecs and decoders and stuff, and just generally wreaked havok.
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Cyrix » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:53 pm

Other than it occasionally bugging out and using up an entire processor core until I close it, I've never had any issues with it.

Forgive my ignorance, then. What filtering needs to be done? Do you know if Premiere supports lagarith or huffyuv without preview rendering? If not, that's just another problem.

I might be more discerning than others, but for me, DV is a no go, because any loss of quality is too much for me.

Oh, really? Well tell me which parts of this image are from a snapshot of the DVD, and which parts are from a snapshot of the DV-AVI I put on top of it?
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Also Cyrix, this kinda bugged me but I didn't say anything earlier, that thing you said about 2 seconds to the start and end of what you want, that's only necessary if you have no idea what a GOP is. Cut on a GOP marker and force closed GOP's, should have no problem with accuracy other than libavformat being absolutely shit when it comes to transport or program streams. Seeking in the resulting output should be faster too if you're seeking in the ripped VOB and not some transcoded format.

I'm not sure if you understand what I'm doing. The only reason to leave a 2 second buffer is because the TC is in seconds and you might miss a few frames, or it might just be off by a second. This is rarely an issue but a few times I lost around 15 frames so I started using a small buffer. There's no problem in accuracy with the resulting DV AVI because it's frame accurate. There're no problems with transports, streams, or seeking.
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Zarxrax » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:00 pm

Also this method will result in subpar quality, because you can't perform IVTC to get the frames back to their original 23.976fps. You have to deinterlace instead, which makes it look crappy.
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Cyrix » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:16 pm

Are you getting your dvds from Japan? I said ntsc. If you get it in America its already 29.97fps. There is no loss in quality. Also not everything is interlaced.
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Cyrix » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:18 pm

Actually I think I misinterpreted what you said
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Athena » Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:59 pm

Cyrix wrote:Forgive my ignorance, then. What filtering needs to be done?


1) You need to crop the edges.
2) If it's progressive, then you won't need to IVTC, but that does look pretty noisy. If you look carefully on the girl, you can see vertical streaks in her hair and eyes. Also, her general lines look more jaggy and less smooth than the boy's.

Do you know if Premiere supports lagarith or huffyuv without preview rendering? If not, that's just another problem.


*sigh* I am so sick of hearing this complaint. Honestly, are you that lazy? Really? That you can't render each change? You have no idea how good you have it. Ten, eleven years ago, I used to have to wait for premiere to render, and it took hours. If I needed to rerender an entire video, it might have taken days. Do it right: change, save, render, save, and quit bitching. Be glad you don't need to do the editing equivalent of walking uphill both ways in the snow.

Oh, really? Well tell me which parts of this image are from a snapshot of the DVD, and which parts are from a snapshot of the DV-AVI I put on top of it?


Really. I already explained the issues I saw. I'm not going to play your guessing game.
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Cyrix » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:04 pm

Crop the edges? Do you scale up the video to fill the space you cropped off?

Since that's a progressive DVD any issues you think you see are with the original. You can't see the differnce from the different portions because there is no quality difference.

Preview rendering isn't work. Don't act like laziness plays a part in pressing enter. I just don't get paid hourly to edit so I have no reason to waste my time rendering clips with no effects.on them. I already deal with rendering effects and transitions. You sound like you're bitter modern editors don't face the hardships you did so you want them to toil away and waste time.

SUPER is perfect for novice editors who don't have the knowledge, time, or interest in the absurd hurdles of avi synth. They won't notice or care about supposed quality problems of incredible insignificance. Why.discourage them from a practical method of simultaneous ripping and converting?
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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Phantasmagoriat » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:45 pm

@Cyrix: You know, that's actually clever enough that it almost pains me to say I agree with everyone else in this thread. There are far better ways of doing it. [yes you might have to index the vob's... which really isn't a big deal... but you never require "sacrificial offerings, or forbidden seal techniques" :ying: ]

Although I can't stop you or anyone from doing things the way you want,
most people have a work-flow that follows the guides on this site.
Generally something like this:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... rview.html

The main advantage IMHO is being able to use avisynth, which can do a number of things like restore progressive frames, adjust framerate, crop, resize, denoise, deblock... etc; VDub has Job Control which allows you to process a list of clips instead of doing every clip one at a time; or you could frameserve directly into your editor to eliminate the need for clips all together. I could list many more reasons not to use SUPER, but if that's what you want to do, all the power to you. Just be aware that you are missing out on stuff that can have a significant impact on your video, and [believe it or not,] even make editing easier [at least later on].

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Re: Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

Postby Cyrix » Wed Aug 18, 2010 9:06 pm

Thanks. I'm sure I'll get around to AVI-synth sooner or later but SUPER has worked so simply and well I think it's worth sharing it with others.

Sorry if I come across as a dick - I don't mean to be, but I'm always bad at communicating online >_< .

Also, regarding SUPER screwing up your computer... well, I have two 64-bit systems, a laptop and a desktop. The laptop started with Vista and SUPER worked fine on it, but I upgraded it to Windows 7, and SUPER still worked fine on it. My desktop came with Windows 7 and likewise has never had an issue. I use VLC player for watching most things, and SUPER never gave it any codec issues - it still works with everything.

I forgot to mention SUPER doesn't seem to be able to convert heavily copy-protected DVDs (Wolf's Rain turns into a garbled mess, but this also happens when I try to watch a VOB file off the disc by itself with VLC). Does AVI-synth bypass copy-protection more effectively?
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