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Postby SarahtheBoring » Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:07 pm

*jumps back on the board*

Just a thought: Why do you have to keep out anything that uptight straight boys don't like? I don't like ultraviolence, but do you see me bitching that nobody can make violent videos? Of course not. I just don't watch them if I don't want to see them.

Wow. Imagine that.

*shakes head* I don't see where people get off telling everyone else what they can and cannot make.
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Postby ithaqua » Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:38 pm

See? This is why a blatant shock video would be good. Force attention on yourself. All publicity is good publicity.

But please don't do some mainstream song simply for the sake of general acceptability. There are enough top 40 pop-rock videos already.
Maybe try Sister Machine Gun or Mellowdrone.
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Postby Arigatomina » Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:54 pm

I've never heard of those songs, I'll look them up, thanks! I haven't listened to the radio in about five years (not at *all* - complete boycot when my favorite station stopped playing the 80s-90s in favor of new popular crap songs). Half the time I hear something and don't know if it's popular until I do a search here for it - usually it's not. The only time I use over-done songs is when I have a friend ask for a mix of that song and their favorite anime characters - done that about...4 times: Manson, evil LP, and..another I guess people heard of (I'd never heard it before & can't remember which one it was). Half the songs I see in amvs these days I've never heard of, and the ones they talk about in the 'General Music' section I've never heard of. Guess that's half the problem, the old favorites (and hence over-done) are still *my* favorites.

As for shocking people, I love the idea, but I have to follow the rules since I don't have my own hosting service - and blatant videos with 'that' sort of footage would be the most shocking (imagine a yaoi amv with flashes of doujinshi scans or fanart - for non-yaoi it could be interesting, for yaoi it could be deadly). But I haven't figured out yet exactly how far I can stretch the 'sexual nudity' rule - when it comes to guys it's much harder. ^_^ And I still have my modesty (I prefer stories and *ideas* of pairings more than the explicit reality). But like I said before, my question's obsolete now. I'm going to do what I like and leave the opinion exchange alone - I can still check out what the 'good' amv-ers are doing and try my own comparisons. And if I do manage a 'generally accepted' theme, that's fine, too.
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Postby Otohiko » Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:15 am

ithaqua wrote:See? This is why a blatant shock video would be good. Force attention on yourself. All publicity is good publicity.


I disagree that all publicity is good publicity. Not to an artist...

However, defying people's expectations and throwing something at them that will make them go 'whoa' or 'WTF?' - that's not a bad thing. Just don't stretch the sexual content rule too far, I don't think Phade will be happy... that said though, I think he noted somewhere that if in doubt, you can contact him and get him to see your video and then make a decision.

And since you got a pretty unconventional visual theme... I think it should be much easier to find unusual music to match. Heh, it's much harder to do that for something more 'normal'.

Anyways, whatever it is you're gonna do, I'm gonna see it... just to see how far you can go with this
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Postby koronoru » Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:38 pm

Otohiko wrote:Just don't stretch the sexual content rule too far, I don't think Phade will be happy... that said though, I think he noted somewhere that if in doubt, you can contact him and get him to see your video and then make a decision.


Really? The video upload page says that "If you think that maybe your video contains any scene that might be considered sexual nudity or excessive graphic violence by the admin of this site, it's best to play it safe and not to upload it." That, combined with the fact that only members can download (which I didn't know when I first uploaded a video) really reduces my eagerness to make local uploads. I don't want to spend time worrying over someone else's zero-tolerance policy, one-strike-you're-out acceptable content policy.
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Postby SarahtheBoring » Thu Jun 12, 2003 6:33 pm

True enough, my point was just that you shouldn't make any particular sort of video just because it happens to be what some random dude thinks is acceptable. Like that guy going "Sure, do whatever you want, but don't do XYZ because I don't like it." Pfft.

Following rules is another matter, and that you do have to watch out for. But that's different from just caving to public opinion. You know? That's all I meant.
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Postby Otohiko » Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:05 pm

Hmm... strange, I believe that's something I read in one of his guides.

And I mean, if you really want your video on but have some doubts about the content, I would contact Phade for that. At least that would clear up any doubts and avoid falling into something with his one-strike policy...
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Postby ithaqua » Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:31 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:I've never heard of those songs, I'll look them up, thanks! I haven't listened to the radio in about five years (not at *all* - complete boycot when my favorite station stopped playing the 80s-90s in favor of new popular crap songs).


I don't think you would have heard those on the radio. At least not the radio in my town!

Corporate radio, as you mentioned, has been bogged down by the crap the labels pay the stations to play.

College radio is run by people with boring tastes in music (as an example, one of the shows on the university-run station here is some girl who thinks the fact she owns vinyl records means her taste in music is cultivated and obscure. Too bad no one has told her about the magic of preamps, because I could barely hear the damn things).

Internet radio has some hope, but most stations seem to stick to one very small segment of a genre, so you have to switch stations every few minutes to keep from being bored.

So I guess that when it comes to learning about new bands, you're on your own nowadays!
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Postby Arigatomina » Fri Jun 13, 2003 2:18 am

I'm an mp3 leech, myself. I know! It's bad to use mp3s for amvs, I've heard all about how low the quality is (though I must say I've gotten very high scores for audio - guess I've edited the mp3s enough that they're not so bad), and it's the principle where you should buy the cd, but take for instance my newest idea - using a french song I don't even know the name of but managed to snag off some obscure website and found that it screams 'Berserk amv' - what would make me buy a cd of some french artist when I don't understand the language? And even if I did want to get the cd for the mp3, it's hard to do that if you don't know the name of the song or the artist. Ah, too much music talk on the amv suggestions forum - what about the idea...never seen a French Berserk amv before... 8) I am such a weirdo when it comes to these music videos.
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Postby ithaqua » Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:35 pm

The sound quality in your FF video seemed pretty good, so don't worry too much.

People who care that much about sound quality can start buying DVD-Audio discs (the new Ministry kicked ass on DVD!)

And hey, I thought we established weird videos are the best!
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Postby Arigatomina » Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:44 pm

Well, I have used cds for a number of my vids - when I had them. And I've found songs that I'm saving to get the cds for, but I'm not too worried about that. If the quality is bad, I wouldn't use the track, anyway. DVD Audio is foreign words to me - I guess my general hearing's off because I can't honestly see the difference between my cds and half my mp3 collection - my hearing isn't that fine-tuned, or something...loud snorers as a child, that's a good excuse. I'm too poor to buy new anime, can't imagine going for higher quality music when I hardly listen to my own cd collection.

And hai! Weird is good, quite good...I'm all for that. ^_^
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Postby ithaqua » Sat Jun 14, 2003 9:49 pm

Honestly, I could only tell the difference between CD sound (44.1KHz) and DVD sound (96KHz, I think) when I listened to the exact same album on one after the other.

It's better, but you can't really tell unless you're a professional musician, I guess.

Of course, I put my KMFDM collection into 128 KBit MP3's and they sound the same as the CD's to me.

And hey, if you want cheap CD's, check out Underground Inc.'s 5 for $20 deal - you can get some dirt cheap 2 or 3 disc compilations.
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Postby Toecutter » Mon Jun 16, 2003 6:47 pm

You know what would really be cool? Use the song "The Last Resort" by the Eagles (from their "Hotel California" album). It's 7 minutes and 25 seconds long, and I doubt anyone's used it before. Or, what would be awesome, if you could get enough footage from "Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040" of Priss' crappy band, you could use the song "Cover of the Rolling Stone" by Dr. Hook.
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Postby Arigatomina » Mon Jun 16, 2003 6:54 pm

Ah! I have that cd - the Eagles one. But it's got scratches over half of it. :( It just doesn't play well at all. But I've thought about using Hotel California if I can find an anime that can be twisted to fit it - the other song, 'Last Resort' I can't remember off-hand. I may not have listened to it often enough. But I would like to see more Eagles songs used...an old favorite of mine. And long songs can be cut down to a manageable length - I've done that before (never used the track, though, weak idea). But I haven't heard Dr. Hook, I may have to look that up (never seen Bubblegum Crisis, either).
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Postby ithaqua » Mon Jun 16, 2003 10:31 pm

Ugh.

Try some of Joe Walsh's solo stuff, it's like the Eagles but without the sucking.

Or Frank Zappa. Not really Eagles-related, but about the same age.
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