What 'works' here

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What 'works' here

Postby Arigatomina » Sun Jun 08, 2003 10:54 am

I should be getting some free time soon, so I wanted to make an amv with content suitable for the general audience here. Meaning, I want to do something I can toss to the wolves for pointers, criticism, and hopefully help in improving my basic skills. Everything I've done so far was aimed at a certain group of fanfic-readers, revolving around my site, so they won't do it. The song is open, but here are the animes I have enough footage to work with:

AD Police
Angel Sanctuary
DBZ (mostly movies, and one or two episodes)
Earthian
Escaflowne (the movie)
Fake
Haunted Junction
Inuyasha
Labyrinth of Flames
Magic Knights Rayearth
Nightwalker
Prince of Tennis
Rurouni Kenshin (up through the Kyoto saga)
Sorcerer Hunters
Twin Signal
Vampire Hunter D (first movie)
Yami no Matsuei
Yu Yu Hakusho

As far as I can tell the popular ones (DBZ, RK, maybe YYH) have been done to death in action vids, and the rest of my collection gives me ideas that don't fit the general public. So, any help on which of these I could use to make a vid to share, and the genre (action, drama, romance, etc) would be greatly appreciated. Song suggestions, are fine as well.

And I'm not trying to get ideas because I don't have my own, only that mine aren't suitable, and I'm really not sure yet exactly what *is* suitable or looked-for here. I need something I can make and then share on the opinion exchange - otherwise I'll never figure out where I need to improve.
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Re: What 'works' here

Postby Otohiko » Sun Jun 08, 2003 11:50 am

Arigatomyna wrote:Angel Sanctuary
Earthian
Fake
Haunted Junction
Labyrinth of Flames
Nightwalker
Twin Signal
Yami no Matsuei


Since I'm all for the new and original, the above titles seem somewhat under-represented in AMV's. So, I'd go for those just for the originality.
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Postby Arigatomina » Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:34 pm

I guess the problem is that four of those are yaoi (shonen ai), one's incest, two are plot-less humor, and the other...well, I *could* make some action out of it, but I've already seen an amv that used the best fight scene in that anime. :shock: I guess that's my problem, I need a broader selection to work with.

And I *want* to use original animes, but for sharing (opinion-wise), I figured I'd need something other people are familiar with and can compare to other amvs for the same anime.
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Postby Otohiko » Sun Jun 08, 2003 6:01 pm

I suppose that makes sense...

Well, if you're going the "pick anime, then match song" way, then I suppose a more obvious or well-known choice would be more sensible.

Actually, if you use something new and original, you're almost guaranteed an opinion from me for example :) (and I'm sure same with a few other people), as long as I'm aware of the release.

I'd suggest you browse through some music, too, to get a better idea of what you want to do. In my approach to getting ideas, music is far and above the most important element, with anime being kind of secondary (as long as it matches well).

And oh, don't worry about having too narrow a pallette here - mine, at present, is about twice smaller, but I don't mind :wink:
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Postby OmniStrata » Sun Jun 08, 2003 6:44 pm

LABYRINTH OF FLAMES!
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Re: What 'works' here

Postby Otohiko » Sun Jun 08, 2003 7:52 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:And I'm not trying to get ideas because I don't have my own, only that mine aren't suitable, and I'm really not sure yet exactly what *is* suitable or looked-for here. I need something I can make and then share on the opinion exchange - otherwise I'll never figure out where I need to improve.


Oh yes... a short note - unless they're outright hentai or graphic violence, how can they really be all that unsuitable?

Honestly. One of my first posts here read"

But if you do know AMV's that are daring and unusual, and thus possibly dislikeable, please drop me a line.


It's my dream that people stop chasing safe ways out and easy solutions to gain popularity and start producing AMV's just because... they can and feel compelled to do so.

For instance, while I do plan to make a few solid, perfectly conventional AMV's, my eventual wish, or creative goal if you will, is to slowly drift towards experimental, downright weird productions.

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I can only say this: DON'T make an AMV because someone told you. Don't make it for any other reason but genuine personal inspiration. Otherwise, you may come to regret it.
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Postby Arigatomina » Sun Jun 08, 2003 8:23 pm

Yes, I know about regretting it - I put up a link to an 'attempted' 'normal' amv in the amv announcement section that I don't like watching (It's Nightwalker, so it should be original anime-wise). I can't explain how bad it feels to try sharing something *I* as the creator don't want to watch. But that's just because of the context. Most (if not all) of my amvs are shonen ai oriented, which is why I say they're unsuitable. I've seen the general consensus against that form of amvs (or anything non-het that isn't yuri-based) posted enough to know it isn't mainstream. But when I attempt normal het romance vids I feel all nasty about it :wink: , and I refuse to watch them more than is necessary for the editing. It would be easier to just stick to action scenes involving my favorite male characters (or a few females I don't mind so much: Ryoko, Yukina, Kaoru, etc). Romance and horror are my preferred genres, so it's hard to think of ideas that would be in-tune with the mainstream preferences. And I don't have enough 'dark' amvs to pull off strict horror.
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Postby ithaqua » Mon Jun 09, 2003 11:08 pm

I say fuck it and go with the yaoi movies.

Then use a blatantly pornographic song. Like NIN - Closer or Terminal Choice - Animal.
You know, songs that use "fuck you like an animal" in the chorus.
(LiveSexAct is also good for this, maybe be a smartass and go with Revolting Cocks - Beers, Steer, and Queers)

Then finish with one of the "lotion" samples from Silence of the Lambs.


After that pisses everyone off, you can probably post anything you want, het or not, afterwards without catching flak.

Besides, art is supposed to force you to look at things in a new way, and I'm tired of these DBZ crap videos.
If nothing else, harsh noises get your attention.
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Postby Otohiko » Tue Jun 10, 2003 9:59 am

This is exactly what I've been trying to say. Plus, don't forget - there IS an audience for yaoi vids.
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Postby jadedintentions » Tue Jun 10, 2003 11:52 am

I think you should do a Haunted Junction video. Because out of ALL the AMVs I have seen, I have NEVER seen a Haunted Junction one! I'm sure there are ones... but I've never seen any! I vote fer Haunted Junction! Just don't do Inu Yasha... though it's one of my favourite animes... it's TOOOO overused these days... it is the most popular one to make as of late. Yes, the poll says NGE.. but I still think Inu Yasha is over-used. But that's just me! XD
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Postby Arigatomina » Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:23 pm

Heh, I love the idea of making something to shock people, just have to find my own server first. In the meantime, I *do* have a Haunted Junction amv up:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=17327
which didn't do very well (my sense of humor is wacked). And Inuyasha may be overdone, but I also did the first ever (Yes! I searched all *over*!) yaoi Inuyasha amv:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=16798
which was a lot better timed than any of my early attempts.

It's not that I don't try new things with what I have, keeping the yaoi angle I like, just that the audience isn't big enough. I *know* there are yaoi amvs on here - that's one of the things that first drew me to the org years ago, a nice pleasant shock, I might add, but for sharing with the larger population (and getting constructive pointers), I think I'd need something a little more subtle. I won't ever stop making strange, yaoi amvs, but I was hoping to get ideas that wouldn't repel potential viewers that didn't involve pairings and females I usually detest.
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Postby ithaqua » Tue Jun 10, 2003 10:24 pm

Well,

if you cut out the obvious sexual stuff,

the somewhat subtle sexual stuff,

but kept the PG-13 stuff,

and avoided use of the word yaoi or shonen-ai, (but used it anyways)

then you could make a video that fit in with every other one here.


Really, the way some guys are drawn in anime movies, you can't always tell when they're supposed to be guys. So if you don't tell people what they don't want to hear, they won't see what they don't want to look at.

It's not lying, it's simply withholding information that people don't really need.

Hopefully, allowing you to release a video to a larger audience without resorting to ideas that you don't agree with.



Of course, I still want to see a video using RevCo. It would be hard to top the real video for "Do You Think I'm Sexy" but there's lots of other good songs out there.
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Postby Sweetnez » Wed Jun 11, 2003 1:11 am

DBZ to a Linkin Park song...
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Postby Arigatomina » Wed Jun 11, 2003 7:37 am

Not Linkin Park, if you want revolutionary, try DBZ to Saliva. My newest project - wanted something new and original with dbz, well, I think yaoi is an unexplored angle, des ne? I think my original question here has become obsolete. I wouldn't feel right doing a shonen ai vid without giving the proper warnings, though I can see how it wouldn't be a bad thing considering how many supposedly 'straight' dbz amvs really look more yaoi than anything else - but no warnings mean no yaoi, right...
I'm just going to go about my happy little amv making, and who knows, if I do things that irritate the general public, maybe it will entice them to watch the vids *because* of the warnings. And I don't do anything with explicit sexual content, I think the worst I've gone was a single kiss (no tongue :oops: ) that lasted about 3 seconds long. Heck, I'm not even sure if male frontal nudity (shirtless) should be counted the same as females - unless the characters are regularly shirtless I try to edit that sort of content out - that's how careful I am to keep even shonen ai vids PG-13. ^_^ I can be nice as well as bold.
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Postby Otohiko » Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:37 am

Honestly, the way you say you edit it carefully and avoid anything that would be really offensive, it doesn't sound like there would be any problem. In fact, despite the fact that I (for obvious reasons) don't like shounen ai at all, I think I'll take a look at those vids. At least it sounds like you make these things with real intention, which is less than I could say for some...
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