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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:18 am
by Garylisk
How is it unfair? This isn't fanvideos.org - It's animemusicvideos.org.

The page shoudl be used to catalog fan made music videos that are made using all or mostly anime, as defined by the site admins as JAPANESE animation, produced, directed, and made in Japan. I understand and agree that the term anime literally means any animation, but this site does not define it as such.

And since this is a privately owned website, the admins can make rules like this.

And since they are making people delete those non-anime vids from the catalog, you have to do it or not compete. That's the rules.

If you ask me, it's a good thing. It's purifying the catalog more. If people want to compete, they have to purify the catalog of their non-anime vids, thus bringing the site closer to what it's intended purpose is.

Am I wrong?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:21 am
by Cyanna
Dejana wrote:I don't understand.

In order to be eligible for the contest, I have to delete all my non-anime videos? And I'm required to have every video I EVER MADE entered in the catelog?

Excuse me, but that seems REALLY unfair. What do my other videos have to do with the eligible AMVs I made this past year? Why are those rules required for completely unrelated videos to be eligible?

Is this some sort of punishment for people who entered non-anime videos or decided to only post a few videos here? A way of forcing people to remove non-anime work, and to make them catelog videos they didn't want to? What kind of "contest" does that make this?

That's some messed-up underhanded blackmail. I'm not surprised almost all the AMVs on this site are still disqualified despite the warnings. If non-anime videos aren't allowed anymore, just say so. Don't resort to sneaky tactics like this.


Well the site is called animemusicvideos.org for a reason. That is probably the most obvious hint as to what one should expect to find on this site.

You should only enter videos that meet the following criteria:

You yourself created the video. You should not enter videos that were created by someone else.
The video is an anime music video. For the purposes of this site, an anime music video is defined as a music video where the majority of the footage comes from anime. For the purposes of this site, anime-style video gamecut scenes (such as Final Fantasy) are considered "anime".
The video has been completed. It is perfectly fine to enter the video information of a completed video that has not premiered, has not been released to the public yet, or is not even available for download.


And that's just for the catalogue. Never mind the uploading.

I don't see see any sneakery happening here.

Because the catalogue is meant to have only anime music videos, the only vids you've made that apply are the ones that fit the criteria. Not EVERY video you've made.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:21 am
by Toji Fujawara
Dejana wrote:I don't understand.

In order to be eligible for the contest, I have to delete all my non-anime videos? And I'm required to have every video I EVER MADE entered in the catelog?


Yes you do have to get rid of all our non-anime videos and it just means that all your videos are correctly enterend into the database just go into your profile and click yes all my videos are entered


Dejana wrote:Is this some sort of punishment for people who entered non-anime videos or decided to only post a few videos here? A way of forcing people to remove non-anime work, and to make them catelog videos they didn't want to? What kind of "contest" does that make this?


Well it is AnimeMusicvideos.org not musicvideos.org and there are plenty of other places to get hosting for you non-anime videos its in the rules for postin.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:24 am
by Scintilla
Dejana wrote:If non-anime videos aren't allowed anymore, just say so.

They <i>have</i> said so, numerous times in the past. :?

As someone already pointed out:
<a href=http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_newvideo_step0.php>The Enter New Video page</a> wrote:You should NOT create a new video entry if the video meets any of the following criteria:
1. <b>The video is not an anime music video.</b> Videos that are made up entirely of footage other than anime should not be entered into the catalog.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:11 pm
by Bakadeshi [AuN Studios]
Dejana wrote:...... And I'm required to have every video I EVER MADE entered in the catelog?

Excuse me, but that seems REALLY unfair. What do my other videos have to do with the eligible AMVs I made this past year? Why are those rules required for completely unrelated videos to be eligible? ..........



This rule would be eligable for the "Rookie of the year" and "Editor of the year" awards, since they take into consideration everything you've done this year. If people only entered their best videos into the catalog and none of their crappier (for lack of a better word) ones, that would make that kinda unfair for these 2 positions wouldn't you say?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:16 am
by Scintilla
Dejana wrote:If non-anime videos aren't allowed anymore, just say so. Don't resort to sneaky tactics like this.

I forgot to mention this before, but based on your joined date, this should be the third VCA season you've seen... and this same rule was in effect for last year's VCAs. This is the second year in a row they've stated it quite publicly -- how's that sneaky?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:49 pm
by Dejana
I stopped making AMVs for a long time and missed the past contests.

All right, I must have missed something when I submitted my non-anime video. Too bad I didn't see it before I got comments and stats on that vid. I concede. I was just a bit taken aback seeing the contest rules for the first time. Have the submission rules always been like that? How did the non-anime categories get in there then?

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:57 pm
by Kalium
Because people ignore the rules, and post the videos anyway?

The admins aren't perfect, either, and it's a big database.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:30 pm
by Corran
And the system to actually prevent people from uploading non-anime videos is fairly recent. Before then, people would report users that abused the server to the mod drop box and the non-anime videos would get taken down.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:44 pm
by Arigatomina
Dejana wrote:All right, I must have missed something when I submitted my non-anime video. Too bad I didn't see it before I got comments and stats on that vid.

When this came up last year a number of older editors just stood out of the VCA by refusing to delete their 'off-site-hosted' non-anime vid descriptions. So far the only non-anime entries they delete are the ones on local. So if you want to vote, but not run, for the contest, don't do anything. They have trouble deleting locally hosted non-anime vids when someone drops them in front of their noses. I doubt they'll get around to bothering direct-hosted videos anytime soon.

I was just a bit taken aback seeing the contest rules for the first time. Have the submission rules always been like that? How did the non-anime categories get in there then?

The non-anime category comes from videos that (in the older days) had mixed anime and non-anime footage. Instead of listing the name of the non-anime source (and encouraging people to upload more of those videos), they marked 'non-anime' to account for the extra footage. Then they decided the 'non-anime' was encouraging people to upload vids with *no* anime at all, so they deleted it. Unfortunately, now people just use those non-anime titles instead of a generic 'non-anime' category. Sort of defeated their purpose there.

As for the submission rules, the one from 2002 doesn't say a word about it. They did rule out 'various' and 'unknown' from the anime categories, but there's not a word about whether or not videos can be non-anime. And note, they don't mention anything about disqualifying a person who's listed non-anime vids next to their anime vids.

But...they reserved the right to disqualify people "at any time" after the disqualification date. So I guess that's when they went after the ones they didn't want running in the competition (like any who had non-anime vids nominated for the contest).

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:18 pm
by Dejana
Ahaa. So it WASN'T in the rules when I joined a-m-v.org. I had a feeling something had changed; when I first started getting into stuff like this I was an eager-to-please newbie who carefully followed every rule for fear of pissing someone off. I must have seen the categories and thought non-anime videos were okay.

Thanks. It's nice to know I'm not crazy. :lol: