X Ghosts - Interested?

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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Vivaldi » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:19 pm

Bauzi wrote:
Vivaldi wrote:As for 60fps, it would work if you could provide a reliable way for creating interpolated frames, but I don't have or know how to use twixtor or it equivilants, I'm sure most people don't either, and I feel if we don't take it all the way it'll just be a gimmick.

I think Twixtor is a good idea. It gives the whole 60fps thingy a way better reason to be part of the MEP. I better give a look to it and write a quick tutorial/explanation for those who want to use it.

As I understand it's pretty tough to get scenes that don't come out deformed.


You also can't forget people who use vegas or somesuch, is there any kind of avisynth plugin that can do this?
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Enigma » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:14 pm

Vivaldi wrote:
Bauzi wrote:
Vivaldi wrote:As for 60fps, it would work if you could provide a reliable way for creating interpolated frames, but I don't have or know how to use twixtor or it equivilants, I'm sure most people don't either, and I feel if we don't take it all the way it'll just be a gimmick.

I think Twixtor is a good idea. It gives the whole 60fps thingy a way better reason to be part of the MEP. I better give a look to it and write a quick tutorial/explanation for those who want to use it.

As I understand it's pretty tough to get scenes that don't come out deformed.


You also can't forget people who use vegas or somesuch, is there any kind of avisynth plugin that can do this?


Vegas can go up to 60fps :roll:
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Bauzi » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:20 pm

For me it wouldn't be a shame if some people hand in usual 30fps tracks. That's totaly fine, but some viewers won't get the reasons why the tracks are as they are, why the MEP overall is in 60fps and 60fps might seam really gimmiky.

Vegas can go up to 60fps :roll:

Oh and it does it really good! I tested it one year ago (boah... Mac should really release his vid. It's already from 2007 I think :| ) with a 23.98 fps project. The speed up worked pretty good (although I can't say what's a good or a bad speed up). All the speeded up clips looked way more smooth. The viewing experience was totaly different. It almost felt unreal :|

Does anybody know the difference between Twixtor and Premiere/After Effects/Vegas interpolating frames?

I just got an idea for my track. It's with 29 Ghost IV and 60fps might get handy and good looking. I better test the look first though. :)

Oh I forgot to mention:
A song can only picked once, but you're allowed to hand in multiple tracks (one, two, three... or so). Of course you can also work together with other editors
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Enigma » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:11 pm

I'd take Ghost 25 with DMC4 :P
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Bauzi » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:26 pm

Soup wrote:I'd take Ghost 25 with DMC4 :P

woot? 25 with DMC4? I can hardly imagine such a song to DMC 4 cutscenes. :| Good idea! That makes me interested into it :up:

I found out a good way to check out the whole album. Throw it into iTunes or any other player of your choice and do something else while listening to it. I played Tower Defenese (Gemcraft - Chapter Zero). There is a good chance that a song instantly catch you with an idea. That's what happened to me :)

Trent is right. This is music for day dreaming.
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Enigma » Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:43 pm

Bauzi wrote:
Soup wrote:I'd take Ghost 25 with DMC4 :P

woot? 25 with DMC4? I can hardly imagine such a song to DMC 4 cutscenes. :| Good idea! That makes me interested into it :up:

I found out a good way to check out the whole album. Throw it into iTunes or any other player of your choice and do something else while listening to it. I played Tower Defenese (Gemcraft - Chapter Zero). There is a good chance that a song instantly catch you with an idea. That's what happened to me :)

Trent is right. This is music for day dreaming.


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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Chez » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:25 pm

I am giving a listen to the tracks, but Ghosts 1 left a good impression.
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Vivaldi » Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:03 am

Soup wrote:
Vivaldi wrote:As I understand it's pretty tough to get scenes that don't come out deformed.


You also can't forget people who use vegas or somesuch, is there any kind of avisynth plugin that can do this?


Vegas can go up to 60fps :roll:

That's not the point, the project can be 60fps, but in the end it's just duplicating or removing frames, not creating brand new ones. (worst case scenario you get awful frame-blending). Not matter what the project is, the framerate it's animated at will be the some odd 12fps.

Doing that in vegas accomplishes about the same thing as putting changefps(60.00) in avisynth. I.e. nothing that matters.
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby AaronAMV » Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:23 am

I am very interested, but are you requiring the 60 fps? I don't really want to speed up all my footage via avisynth and take up more room.

edit: i didn't read the thread so yeah
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby godix » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:00 am

Bauzi wrote:
To quote your original post: "Not really effects needed". I got the impression the entire point isn't eye candy. If I got that wrong, then I withdraw my interest.

What do you define as eye candy?

The pointless 3d effects or shinies that exist for no reason other than making the audience go 'look at that effect!' I'm not opposed to effects, just that style of effects wouldn't work with the music. I can imagine plenty of effects that'd work well as mood pieces though. Basically, if there's going to be a fucking 3d spinning cube in this MEP then let me know right now so I won't waste my time with it.
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Bauzi » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:55 am

AaronAMV wrote:I am very interested, but are you requiring the 60 fps? I don't really want to speed up all my footage via avisynth and take up more room.

edit: i didn't read the thread so yeah

I still think about it. So far:
-The MEP will be 60
-You can edit in 30 or 60
-30 tracks will have doubled frames (that's something I will do in my program). It will be the same visualy
-People have the possibility to use the plug in Twixtor which doesn't only double frames, but creates new ones. Nostromo used it in Auriga.

The pointless 3d effects or shinies that exist for no reason other than making the audience go 'look at that effect!' I'm not opposed to effects, just that style of effects wouldn't work with the music. I can imagine plenty of effects that'd work well as mood pieces though. Basically, if there's going to be a fucking 3d spinning cube in this MEP then let me know right now so I won't waste my time with it.

I see... Ugh hell no! I really want to avoid such stupid "3D in your face camera slides" and cubes as the plague here. :wink: I like this definition I'll put it into the MEP points about what not to do in the tracks.
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Emotive » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:56 am

How about having some sort of theme that links the tracks together, instead of having a bunch of small random tracks that are linked only by the fact that the songs come from the same album? Like ghosts. Not necessarily evil or scary ghosts, ghosts of the past, being unable to forget ones you love, you get the picture.

I'm not implying each track should be like a short film either of course, there's always a way to go around such a theme in a musical, open and ambient way. And they should, being that the music is as it is.
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Bauzi » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:19 am

Emotive wrote:How about having some sort of theme that links the tracks together, instead of having a bunch of small random tracks that are linked only by the fact that the songs come from the same album?

Well... yeah that was actually the theme behind it. Some interesting atmospherical tracks in a collection of videos.

I'm fine with a simple collection, but a theme could really add the project something. Any suggestions? Maybe we can come up with something fiting.

So far the theme is: (visualy) interesting and atmospherical videos.
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby ExSphere » Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:28 pm

I think since their is not going to be a mix, at least limit a certain set of songs that would fit the theme of this project. ( dark, ghosts, horror ) Not all of the songs would mix well with others, but most of them will. Maybe you should go through all of the songs and slash out which one's wouldn't go well and leave a link to the one's that will.
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Re: X Ghosts - Interested?

Postby Emotive » Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:22 pm

Bauzi wrote:
Emotive wrote:How about having some sort of theme that links the tracks together, instead of having a bunch of small random tracks that are linked only by the fact that the songs come from the same album?

Well... yeah that was actually the theme behind it. Some interesting atmospherical tracks in a collection of videos.

I'm fine with a simple collection, but a theme could really add the project something. Any suggestions? Maybe we can come up with something fiting.

So far the theme is: (visualy) interesting and atmospherical videos.

Well, I'm taking the "interesting and atmospherical videos" part as more of the quality standard than the theme of the MEP. :p How about the one I just mentioned?

Like ghosts. Not necessarily evil or scary ghosts, ghosts of the past, being unable to forget ones you love, you get the picture.
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