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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby Niotex » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:30 am

Name: Compiled CascadaThon Tracks Intro Through 8.avi
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Totally "yadayda".. File [qoocr2] is still up btw =]

Also I'm just saying you need to find a balance between being strict and giving people the time they need.
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby Inan » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:12 am

Could we get 15 more days to work on this?
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby -Reda- » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:06 am

I saw the leaked beta compilation and I really think you guys need to suck it up and just work on it longer. It really looks mediocre so far. Really glad I didn't wind up editing a track for this.
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby Kitsuner » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:13 am

Twilight, dude, postpone the project and focus on your dang wedding. To delay marrying somebody on account of an internet video makes zero sense.

As for the video itself, I'm going to echo most of the other comments I read about the transition from Track 0 to Track 1. Stretch the music out more, but more than that, leave the text on the screen longer during the actual video. I can hardly read it.

The next few paragraphs detail my thoughts on the transitions between tracks. I know they are not the final transitions, but I find it easier to suggest good transitions if I'm presenting them as alternatives to existing choices.

Tracks 1 and 2 don't fit together very well. To be more specific, the clips themselves don't offer a smooth transition, so the flash you have right now is about as good as you'll get the transition without adding new source. I know you're very against continuing to work on this project, but I think the best solution is for Kazemon and Inan to compare notes and adjust their tracks so Track 1 ends with a shot similar to Track 2's beginning. Then the transition can be a lot smoother and it will look much cooler.

Moving from 2 to 3... well, I'm puzzled on good ideas for that transition too. Maybe extend the last clip with the Clannad kids looking at the new track rolling in the top til the first clip ends? Since Kazemon edited Track 3 too, I'd suggest she add that into her discussion with Inan about the previous transition if you decide to go that route. I'm also agreeing with Code about not understanding what is happening in that video, but this post is just about the transitions. I can go more in-depth about each track later if people are interested (and if they're given time to continue working). If you want me to break down my thoughts about your track, let me know and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

I like the hands stretching across the screen to move into the next shot, but are there any more frames in that shot? Or rather, could you reposition the first couple frames of the hands so that they don't jump out quite so fast? It's not an especially big deal since it's such a quick move, but it would help smooth things out. More importantly though, I suggest keeping the Jing footage behind the hands until the cloud burst thing pops up. That should be distracting enough that you can subtly fade the previous video away.

Flying in through Track 4's eye works pretty well. I don't have any genuine complaints about it.

We used the hands across the screen to transition just a few tracks ago, but I think this one still works because the hands came together before. Now they're letting go and Full Metal Panic is sad that she can't see her boy. I know I said I wasn't going to talk about specific videos yet, but the strobing flashes (which didn't look especially bad when I watched the track on its own) really screw around with the flow from Track 5, so it hurts the feel of the transition.

I helped work on the next transition, so I'm already happy with it.

I hadn't thought about it when I changed the end of my track, but the hand opening into digital-looking pictures is actually a pretty nice lead-in to the Digimon track. The next video appears way too fast though. My first instinct is to tell you to fade it in, but maybe we would be better served by something else... Perhaps Hagaren could replace the hand shot with a clip from the digital tunnels or whatever kind of computery style area I know Digimon has. Since there are two hand shots, I'd think replacing one would require the other to leave too, so maybe just delay showing the hands? I'm not really familiar with Digimon so I don't know what exactly you've got to work with.

When you get the next track in, you could have that beam of digital energy move across the screen as a wipe to reveal the next track. That'd be pretty neat, if you get it to work.



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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby sakuraslight » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:10 am

yes you all live this time ^_^
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby CodeZTM » Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:31 am

Whoa whoa whoa... You'r postpoining your WEDDING for Cascadathon?

Fuck that shit. Give people who are editing a few more weeks and get hitched dude.
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby sakuraslight » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:44 am

5 out of 11 renders done

TC go get married the MEP can wait.
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby Kazemon15 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:47 pm

Kitsuner wrote:Tracks 1 and 2 don't fit together very well. To be more specific, the clips themselves don't offer a smooth transition, so the flash you have right now is about as good as you'll get the transition without adding new source. I know you're very against continuing to work on this project, but I think the best solution is for Kazemon and Inan to compare notes and adjust their tracks so Track 1 ends with a shot similar to Track 2's beginning. Then the transition can be a lot smoother and it will look much cooler.


In all honesty, I told TC to extend my track more into Inan's track, it's feathers floating to the sky which I thought would be a perfect transition...but he did not want to cover Inan's editing... I kept telling him that in an mep, editing is going to be overlapped...

Moving from 2 to 3... well, I'm puzzled on good ideas for that transition too. Maybe extend the last clip with the Clannad kids looking at the new track rolling in the top til the first clip ends? Since Kazemon edited Track 3 too, I'd suggest she add that into her discussion with Inan about the previous transition if you decide to go that route. I'm also agreeing with Code about not understanding what is happening in that video, but this post is just about the transitions. I can go more in-depth about each track later if people are interested (and if they're given time to continue working). If you want me to break down my thoughts about your track, let me know and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.


Truth be told, I'm all out of Cascadaness....I really really really don't want to edit anymore. I don't want to sound like an ass, but I spent 5 to 6 hours fixing up track 3 the other night just before turning in it. There are tracks that aren't going to make sense. LA said some tracks won't make sense, because there's no possible way you can know the entire anime's story in 45 seconds....<<

I don't mean to be an ass...but I am done editing. I haven't the time to go another 7 days, I have school and a thematic paper to write, so...good luck.

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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby Hagaren Viper » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:44 pm

Was it really ever a question that TC was going to postpone his wedding? The impression that I got from what he said just made it sound like she would be annoyed with him, not that they were moving the wedding on account of a cartoon video.

Kitsuner wrote: Perhaps Hagaren could replace the hand shot with a clip from the digital tunnels or whatever kind of computery style area I know Digimon has. Since there are two hand shots, I'd think replacing one would require the other to leave too, so maybe just delay showing the hands? I'm not really familiar with Digimon so I don't know what exactly you've got to work with.


Hm, I suppose that could be done, but I think I would have to change everything up to the rainbow shot. I'm not sure, anyone have any other thoughts?

Kitsuner wrote:Tracks 1 and 2 don't fit together very well. To be more specific, the clips themselves don't offer a smooth transition, so the flash you have right now is about as good as you'll get the transition without adding new source. I know you're very against continuing to work on this project, but I think the best solution is for Kazemon and Inan to compare notes and adjust their tracks so Track 1 ends with a shot similar to Track 2's beginning. Then the transition can be a lot smoother and it will look much cooler.


I think the best thing to do (Replacing the clips aside) would be to mask the two characters in Inan's track, and have the end of Kaze's track fade out behind them. This could still be troublesome because Inan's two characters crossfade into a different position though.
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby Kitsuner » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:53 pm

Hagaren Viper wrote:
Kitsuner wrote: Perhaps Hagaren could replace the hand shot with a clip from the digital tunnels or whatever kind of computery style area I know Digimon has. Since there are two hand shots, I'd think replacing one would require the other to leave too, so maybe just delay showing the hands? I'm not really familiar with Digimon so I don't know what exactly you've got to work with.


Hm, I suppose that could be done, but I think I would have to change everything up to the rainbow shot. I'm not sure, anyone have any other thoughts?

Another option would be for me to slow down my hand shot so we could move directly from one hand to another. We could have a continuing hand motif going on.
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby TwilightChrono » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:04 pm

Seeing as how I just woke up to find a flurry of new opinions....from more people not involved in the MEP, I have a few things to say. Some are agreements and some are disagreements...but keep in mind, I've had my sleep so I"m not mad.

Alright 1:
Was it really ever a question that TC was going to postpone his wedding? The impression that I got from what he said just made it sound like she would be annoyed with him, not that they were moving the wedding on account of a cartoon video.


You are correct sir. She is going to be more annoyed than me that this isn't finished. She's tired of me sitting at this damn computer working on it more than I've spent working on her........:sweat:

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And one more thing to anyone outside this mep. It ain't gonna be Ayumix. We all edited to the best of our ability. Not everyone can overload on AE FX and make it epic looking. So if anyone has a problem with it, then don't freaking watch it That is all. Sorry, I'm in a mood right now. I'm tired of sitting back and being so nice about things. Those are my thoughts, deal with it. <<


My sentiments exactly. For those of you who are expecting an Ayumix/Elysium type of outcome for this MEP.....you are going to be extremely dissapointed. If I wanted this MEP to turn out that way from the beginning, I would have asked for way more than 6 months for completion, and really.....it wouldn't even be close to done by now if that was the case. But...this MEP is not Ayumix OR Elysium. So, for all the whiners from outside the MEP. Tough Shit. Deal With It. And GTFO.

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I saw the leaked beta compilation and I really think you guys need to suck it up and just work on it longer. It really looks mediocre so far. Really glad I didn't wind up editing a track for this.


Well, if you had no plans to edit for the MEP, then you shouldn't have signed up. YOUR only goal was to postpone the MEP since you never responded to any of my PM's or responses in the thread. This MEP doesn't concern you.

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Also I'm just saying you need to find a balance between being strict and giving people the time they need.


I gave them the time they needed. And I get payed back with procrastination. Which is why this took a whole year. The tracks weren't that long and could have easily been finished in the original alotted time. So, when giving them what they wanted didn't work. I got strict....and look at all the nice shiny work that got done. We are almost done. Makes me wonder what we could have got done if I would have gotten strcter sooner.

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Could we get 15 more days to work on this?


Fuck No.

It get's released either tomorrow.....or in 6 more days. Depends on how much work I see getting done.


As for the hands transition to track 4, I WISH there were more frames but sadly, there aren't. And you really like that damned eye transition from 4 to 5? I thought that was one of the crappiest transitions I put in there. Well, It's time for me to get back to Work/Editing on CascadaThon. Any questions and concerns should be addressed now.
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [7 Days]

Postby Kitsuner » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:28 pm

TwilightChrono wrote:As for the hands transition to track 4, I WISH there were more frames but sadly, there aren't.

There don't really need to be more frames. Just reposition the first mask farther off screen for a couple frames.
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [6 Days]

Postby sakuraslight » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:50 pm

i have credits Beta for people need opinions

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noone dies in this one. ^_^
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [6 Days]

Postby TwilightChrono » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:55 pm

@Kitsuner: How much longer do you have/need to work on your track 13? Honestly, I think it looks good enough for a final.

@Dar: When will I be receiving track 9? How much more work do you have/need on it?
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Re: The Final CascadaThon Thread [6 Days]

Postby Kitsuner » Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:05 pm

TwilightChrono wrote:@Kitsuner: How much longer do you have/need to work on your track 13? Honestly, I think it looks good enough for a final.

I sent you two versions of my final: one with my transitions to the surrounding tracks and one with just my video. They were included in my message asking for the compiled beta.
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