AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (next stop - Nekocon)

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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby moonbunnychan » Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:44 am

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White meat: First off, did everyone/anyone like the "I am the other white meat!" clip? I did that quickly as an experiment, it's not too funny, but if it gets a chuckle, that's all I really went for. Does everyone think it's worth keeping? Also, if we do, Deuce, can you cut it right when the audio cuts? I left a little buffer which I probably shouldn't have, the silence is kinda strange there.



Geico: I think you may have forgotten to move the Princess Tutu geico one to the front. This time especially I felt that its introduction was a bit too abrupt. I think switching the Tutu one with the first Haruhi one will take care of it just fine. By that point, everyone knows the gag.



I like the White Meat one. It's not as much laugh out loud funny as it is "wtf ? lol" and there aren't a huge number of wtf ones in there.

I still agree about the Tutu one too....it'll get a much stronger laugh going first because it really is just so unexpected and out of left field (and has that nice moment of quiet). Actually, having the Haruhi one first doesn't make a terrible amount of sense because it's the only one without any sort of build up, so it makes a lot more sense and have bigger impact for it to go after the joke's been established. Putting the Tutu one at the end people know it's coming.


I actually really like the new noise, but then was thinking about it and...those are some biiiig speakers in that room. I kinda wonder if it'll be ear piercing when it's on those versus just in my headphones. Maybe somebody should test that if they have the means to get a big speaker.


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I didn't want the Haruhi credits vid to be with the credits going though, because it was too small, and had too little movement compared to this moving wall of text. The eye will ALWAYS naturally be drawn to the largest moving object, that's a big animation rule, so the haruhi clip works strongest when it cuts into the credits like it's hacking the feed.


Ha, I was actually having the exact opposite worry, since two of my credits (including my favorite video) went by during the Haruhi emails I was thinking everybody would be paying attention to the corner and not the credits. I just wasn't gonna say anything because I felt I was just having an ego moment. lol.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:08 am

moonbunnychan wrote:I actually really like the new noise, but then was thinking about it and...those are some biiiig speakers in that room. I kinda wonder if it'll be ear piercing when it's on those versus just in my headphones. Maybe somebody should test that if they have the means to get a big speaker.


That's kinda what I meant, I have a speaker setup, and even at a reasonable volume it kinda hits a bit strong for me. Among other things, it's that low-base zone near the end that causes a problem for me, the low BZZZ, because it sends the speakers into a low base then immediately into a high pitch, which is a pretty distinct range and can hurt sensitive ears. Like I said, it's not damningly horrible, but one thing it lacks considerably is the impact the previous test pattern gave. This is a very subdued transition by comparison. The impact of the previous one acts almost like percussion, and then the steady sound of the reeling acts like white noise to clear the mind. It's a very effective noise, I've always liked it because it is perfect for comedy. Very effective to a wide range of clips. This one feels like it fits for punchlines that involve anouncers being taken off the air or electronics exploding in a scene rather than a transition. It's a 'cut off' instead of a 'replacement' like the last one was.

This new noise sounds very disturbing by comparison, even so much as to cause me to feel a bit uncomfortable hearing it over and over. Whichever choice is made, I'll just sincerely recommend changing it back for the subconscious effect of the original test pattern.

And as long as "White meat" is a good 'wtf lol' rather than just a confusing 'wtf lol,' then it can work for randomness factor. Confusing wtf lol I've found doesn't hit the audience as much as I'd like. Did it cause confusion more than anything else?

Ha, I was actually having the exact opposite worry, since two of my credits (including my favorite video) went by during the Haruhi emails I was thinking everybody would be paying attention to the corner and not the credits. I just wasn't gonna say anything because I felt I was just having an ego moment. lol.


Heh, in a general way we're running into what I meant. The attention darts around. I'm sure you all may have felt it when there's subtitled anime and there's two subs going on. I mean hell, without a lot of time reading subs, even one collection of subs distracts entirely from what is actually happening on screen. Even after years I still have trouble. That's the best example I can think of to explain what I meant really. It's either the credits or the vid, and when attention is split between both, it just harms both. As soon as someone's trying to watch the video and misses a credit, they'll be annoyed, and vice versa. Miss part of the video, lost for the rest of it. I just think we have to be aware of that.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Honou_Miko » Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:27 pm

Deuce Loosely wrote:The third beta is rendering (Main Concept AAC mp4). Ignore any visual abnormalities as they are likely due to the encode and won't be there after the mpeg2 render.

CurryMuttonPizza: I still need to know what anime was used for "Egg." If anyone else out there knows, please fill in the blank for me.

Watch for download link later today...



OOF. Sorry, I was away for the weekend and traveled all day yesterday. I used Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki.

(My first anime obsession... I blame it for everything...)

edit: I see the question was answered already, ha. Sorry for the absence ^^; Downloading the latest beta now!!
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby moonbunnychan » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:28 pm

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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:46 pm

hehe, my first thought is what the heck happened to the AMVs.org site ^^ It's at a very awkward angle. I liked the change to the website background behind the money though, got rid of all the extra crud distracting from the text and money. Sorry if I wasn't clear before, I thought the way you had the text laid out was perfect, just that 'for more salad' faded in slower than 'you are hungry' and didn't give enough time for the audience to read the full statement. This one has the same issue for a different reason as it only flashes on for a moment and is a bit too fast. I'd recommend reverting to the original timing for the text, just making 'for more salad' fade in the same speed as 'you are hungry' from the original.

The pulse was cool, I think it worked nicely as a subtle effect to draw attention. If it stayed on long enough for at least two pulses that should give plenty of time. Other than that, I'd just recommend making the AMVs.org site match Haruhi's screen and it'll look great!
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:16 pm

The new hypno toad looks much better but I have to agree, the website is at strange angle.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:34 am

Deuce, are you able to make another beta before the final is sent off? The majority of the suggested changes in the main production are very quick, but I think the credits are in need of serious work and another glance. I think there's a way to safely reduce the time, even by 10-20 seconds in general.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby moonbunnychan » Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:47 am

Hey, also I just noticed a typo in the credits. It says Moew Mix lol.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Deuce Loosely » Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:18 am

moonbunnychan wrote:Hey, also I just noticed a typo in the credits. It says Moew Mix lol.

I frequent meetings of DAM (Mothers Against Dyslexia). :P

You know what they say: If life gives you melons, you're dyslexic.

Yeahhhhhh...I'll shut up now.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:59 am

Just take off the 'w' and you've got "Moe Mix." Then we're dealing with a totally different type of... candy :awesome:
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:46 pm

I think we need to have at least one other beta before Otakon just to finalize things a bit more before the premiere. I am very happy with this years project however. Everyone did a great job and having seen the audiences reaction at AMA I think it will go over really well.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Deuce Loosely » Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:50 pm

Gaelstrom: What was the audio source for "White Meat?"

moonbunnychan: I fixed that glitch in the teaser clip by splicing the first half of the first version with the second half of the new one. You'll see later today when the final beta is released.

Hopefully this was the final round of fixes and adjustments...
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Deuce Loosely » Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:56 pm

The final beta is rendering.(mpeg1 this time - bigger file size but better visual quality).
It appears all the glitches and such have been fixed.
With the exception of one missing production tag (the Black Ink Productions one) and one missing bit of info in the credits (which I'll NEVER be truly happy with), I think this thing is in as perfect a form as it can be.
But, of course, you're the jury.
Stay tuned...

EDIT: I dunno why the mpeg1 looks so bad but I'm going with mpeg2 this time. I hope it's just the media players making it look this way...
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Deuce Loosely » Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:50 pm

It's 429mb in size but the mpeg2 was over 900. Ignore the visual quality. I have no idea why everything but mpeg2 comes out looking like this.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UGBGRTTZ

Just pay attention to the lineup, flow, continuity, etc.
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Re: AMV Salad 4: TV Dinner (Premiere at OTAKON!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:38 pm

This one's definitely like 99% there, Deuce!

Coffee Toffee: Thanks so much for fixing for the Coffee Toffee one (whether it was you or sammysama), I'm so happy that jump is no longer there. That one gave me goose bumps it was so up-beat and catchy, and that small jump just kept pulling me out of it.

Slap Chop: The new slap chop version was a surprise. Better, definitely! Would have some suggestions for making it stronger, but it's a bit late now.

Jojo Psycho and Neighbors: Sorry if I wasn't clear here. You have Jojo exactly where I meant, but I meant that Neighbors may fit better after the Jamaica one. That way Jojo's got the laughter leeway by being followed by a longer clip (Jamaica), then the shorter Neighbors clip in between Jamaica and Ace of Cakes. My mistake for not being clearer.

Ace of Cakes/Hallmark: These really do fit very nicely beside one another for some reason. Maybe it's because they both have a more sweet feel, but I liked this move a lot. ...and I love the "Your smiling face" part ^^ Totally didn't notice that before.

Captain Planet: Thanks so much for removing the monitor ^^ This clip was and is great, and the monitor gone really is a tremendous benefit. This one definitely deserves the ROFL it got in the beta screening.

Haruhi Credits: That's exactly how I always pictured the Haruhi credits clip happening. Exactly. Thanks so much for trying that Deuce. Now of course it's entirely up to everyone else if they liked it that way, but I feel that has more impact than the other ways. The pedobear clip is totally fine there and I don't think it loses anything at all. Those, plus the last Money clip, and the tags I think really break up the credits well.

Production Tags: The production tags being increased in size was a nice touch, it added more visuals to the credits I think. It's nothing major, but the only problem is that the white text on some of the flashing makes it difficult to read during those moments. It's pretty much only during the flash on moonbunnychan's tag and the saturation of the left screen of sammysama's so nothing major at all.

Test Patterns: I apologize, Deuce. What I meant when I was talking about reverting to the original test pattern noise, I meant the one that was originally there in the earlier betas, the same one as AMV Hell 3.14 (or even the one in AMVS3, that one's good too). I was only elaborating on how the reeling noise from that acted LIKE 'white noise' to clear the mind as an analogy. I'm sorry if it sounded like I was saying it should be white noise. What I was trying to explain was why the original test pattern noise you had was so effective in comparison to the one you were trying in Beta 3. That was my miscommunication, I'm sorry. Really both the one used in AMV Hell 3.14 and the one in AMVS 3 are good, I'd be happy with either ^^ (I rewatched AMV Hell 3.14 today as well... think Darkness would cede to begging and come back? I want to see him in AMVS 5 next year)

Credit Layout: The only other thing is that I didn't notice any change to the credits layout. Really the layout is fine if there's only one line of information, but gets very convoluted when there are longer titles like "Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya" and such. Do you have any plans for this?

Special thanks: Is it possible to put the people who helped me in the credits in parentheses like this:

Sony POS
Gaelstrom Productions
(Thanks to: Troy Fillmore and Caleb Rightnowar)
etc...

It's just that otherwise these names are just randomly there and nobody knows the reason, since nobody else has the extra line. If you can fit the extra word, if you could put (Special thanks to: ...) in there I'd be grateful.

Great job, Deuce! Really that's all there is left I think is a couple minor moves and just a switch with the test patterns. The credits don't seem to have any real problem with becoming too boring, especially with more production tags now, the only issue is the slight confusion in the layout I think.

Home stretch!

Edit: Oh yes, and the audio source for White Meat is the same as the Clannad one, it's Comedy Central Presents: Steve McGrew, I thought I'd e-mailed that info to you.
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