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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby thundercatlord » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:55 am

Gaelstrom wrote:
sakuraslight wrote:With the text you added to mine you made people think what he hell ..

the kung fu panda and demolition man never had any text or images when i submited them that have been added by the director .


I think it's been determined that adding stuff to clips that wasn't intended to be there is what is causing a lot of problems. The Head On ones were designed for commercials, so the added graphic doesn't kill the joke, but added text everywhere else is breaking jokes it seems.

I also believe the text added to the last clip after the credits should be toned down. I would say you can get the same effect by taking all text out except 'AMV Salad 4 Otakon 2010' at the end. Otherwise it seems like one of those locally made furniture or car commericials that try too hard to blast you with irrelevant information or tell you what you should be thinking. I never feel as insulted as when something claims that its funny FOR me rather than letting me make that determination for myself.


* I like the text with the "Kung Fu Panda" clip. But I do agree with Code, that the logo at the end just needs to be the words. As it is right now it looks sloppy.
* I also like the text and the Adobe Premiere joke in the "Demolition Man" one. I was cracking up when the "you swear AT it" came up. For me that really make the joke, and as an editor I find it hilarious.
* The AMV Salad 4 promo is mine. This one came about when we had realized Deuce had left one of my clips out. So rather than squeeze in the the main video at the last minute, we decided we'd do an after the credits thing. The original clip was text less, but I personally am ok with all the text in this. I found it quite funny actually, and am pleased with what Deuce did with it.
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby thundercatlord » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:01 am

Opening: tune in to TNT or AMC or any other cable channel when they transition between shows. It looks something like that. Maybe I could throw it in after the closing credits or even as an additive while the credits are rolling but it's gonna take some work. As is now, there's a movie trailer going in the window while the announcements for upcoming shows are being spoken and displayed on screen.
I say leave it alone. I totally was pulled into the concept of a half hour programming block with that.

I realize I shouldn't have put the commercials first after the opening. I'm gonna have to do some heavy duty rearrangement of clips anyway so at least that will be fixed. Have you ever seen the recent "match.com" commercials? Dezbo turned that clip in not knowing what else to do with it. I asked if she cared if I made it a "match.com" ad and she told me to go for it.
I got the match.com joke. As for the timing issues that other people have mentioned... I don't really see a problem... Also, when I watch a MEP, I go in knowing that the clips were made by different people, with different styles, and different skill levels.

I'll figure something out to do with the KFP clip, unless (as previously mentioned) sakuraslight wants me to revert the two clips to their original state. Otherwise, I can pretty it up some.
If you want, I can make a .GIF image of just the text/logo "Kung Fu Panda" for you, that you can import into Vegas. That's what I did with the Power Rangers logo from my Excel Saga/Power Rangers clip.

The Haruhi dance wasn't originally meant for this project. Yeah, it's a bit long and it also has timing issues from what I'm told. If it's okay with the editor, I can work that out.
If it needs to be shortened, please keep 2:58-3:15. That is probably the best segment.

Point taken on the "I Wanna Destroy You" clip. As amusing as I thought the Pucca clip was, I suppose starting off with Hughes telling Ed he wants to destroy him would suffice.
I know I said that I go into these with the mind set that these all come from different editors... but honestly... this clip really bothers me... The lip sync on the FMA part is horrible (sorry Deuce) and the subtitle bugs me to no end.

I'd be able to do more with those graphics if I could afford something like photoshop or whatever that included the function of a "bucket fill" of transparency to isolate the central object and allow it to be placed anywhere. I might be able to work something out about the logo..?
Like I said, I can do this for you for the "Kung Fu Panda" clip if you want me to.

I think I get it now. So you think making a fake bumper to bridge the clip-to-commercial gap is the way to go?
Agreed.
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby Deuce Loosely » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:25 am

thundercatlord wrote:If you want, I can make a .GIF image of just the text/logo "Kung Fu Panda" for you, that you can import into Vegas. That's what I did with the Power Rangers logo from my Excel Saga/Power Rangers clip.

Sounds like a good idea. Show me whatcha got.

As for the rest of the project, I am rearranging clips so there are a couple after the first "donk donk" then a fake bumper and a set of commercials, "donks," clips, bumper, commercials,...lather, rinse, repeat. I'm making sure there's a big laugh at the end of each clip segment.

I also took the initiative to shorten and tighten up the sync between the dance steps and song for the Haruhi piece. I think it looks quite a bit better but it won't be perfect because of the way the scenes fall during the clip. I had to split and remix the video track somewhat to make it work.

For the opening sequence, I fixed the problem with the green line down the right side of the screen. I also removed the spoken announcements and added another text programming note. I'm probably going to look into having location text screens for the "donks" like after the "Fail Hard" blip, the message would read,
"In your hard drive
Downloading yaoi"
...something to that effect. Still pondering.

I did remove the "Funny Farm" clip since everyone was screaming about it. This project, after making adjustments to the end credits, will probably be more like 19-20 minutes in length. We'll see how this comes out...
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby thundercatlord » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:33 pm

Ask and you shall receive, here is the Kung Fu Panda logo:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=F552PL8D
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby Gaelstrom » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:21 pm

thundercatlord wrote:Opening: tune in to TNT or AMC or any other cable channel when they transition between shows. It looks something like that. Maybe I could throw it in after the closing credits or even as an additive while the credits are rolling but it's gonna take some work. As is now, there's a movie trailer going in the window while the announcements for upcoming shows are being spoken and displayed on screen.

I say leave it alone. I totally was pulled into the concept of a half hour programming block with that.


If removing it is not to everyone's liking, I go for the overhaul idea. Right now the aquamarine is a bit saturated and the text isn't aligned very well so it seems very haphazard. Deuce, if you want to post a link to something you wanted to emulate, gimme some time in photoshop and I can do something for you that may help it be more unified. I still believe removing it would strengthen the overall movie, since the Reservoir Dogs clip is just too long and doesn't have any real impact to me, but if everyone vetoes that idea, let's make it look great and seem professional. It won't take long.

As an afterthought, I think I know what hurts it the most: scale down the movie clip a bit and allow space above and to the right of it of equal distance. This way it gives the effect more of a screen with a clip IN it, as opposed to the bisection of information that's going on. It needs more than this, but this may help.

thundercatlord wrote:I got the match.com joke. As for the timing issues that other people have mentioned... I don't really see a problem... Also, when I watch a MEP, I go in knowing that the clips were made by different people, with different styles, and different skill levels.


Trust me, it's there. It looks like the animation was sped up through scaling and there's a rogue frame in it somewhere that makes her foot teleport for a moment as if the program didn't know what to do (could be the render?). It's an easy fix. And I think different levels of skill is what makes this fun, but mainly because it's a way for editors to get critique in a project rather than people they aren't working with. There's no reason to leave clips behind in quality. Hopefully next year time constraints won't cause that to happen like it did this year.

thundercatlord wrote:* I also like the text and the Adobe Premiere joke in the "Demolition Man" one. I was cracking up when the "you swear AT it" came up. For me that really make the joke, and as an editor I find it hilarious.
* The AMV Salad 4 promo is mine. This one came about when we had realized Deuce had left one of my clips out. So rather than squeeze in the the main video at the last minute, we decided we'd do an after the credits thing. The original clip was text less, but I personally am ok with all the text in this. I found it quite funny actually, and am pleased with what Deuce did with it.


In this case, I think you being an editor may be preventing you from seeing what it's doing for the joke that's not for the editors ^^ The premiere thing is an editor inside joke, one for us, but for the audience, it draws away from the original clip, which I personally liked. Attention leaps from one joke to the other, and you lose both. I don't think sakuraslight likes the change either based on the post above. If you like the text on yours, I personally can't see why, because I want to see your Excel clip, not the overlayed text. The ending 'AMV Salad 4' text is fine with that major establishing shot. But every other clip with added text I believe with every fiber of my being should have the text removed unless it was in the original.

deuceloosely wrote:Gaelstrom wrote:
Deuce, you saw it at AMA, so you can tell better if the reaction was confused laughter or not.

The laughter came at the very end when the MW logo popped up. I dunno why they reacted so late, but something about it made an impact. :?


That is interesting. If I were to look at it objectively, the clip never was laugh-out-loud funny, but I guess that's the point where it actually lands as he's advertising and it was a commercial. Hmm... It may be that it's too much of a jump for people to recognize that the 'thing he can't help with' is her situation. ....it... may be worth it just to go: *Test Pattern* Some things we just can't help you with...

Ah! Another alternative is to emulate the original commercial and instead of him sitting there saying 'some things...' that line is overlayed over the frame of them as animals to transition into the commercial aspect. I'll try this out now.

What do you guys think, did you like the initial shenanigans happening to her followed by the commercial, or should we ditch it and make it just him starting off? I like it the way it is, but I'd like to know what you all think.
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby thundercatlord » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:35 pm

Gaelstrom wrote:What do you guys think, did you like the initial shenanigans happening to her followed by the commercial, or should we ditch it and make it just him starting off? I like it the way it is, but I'd like to know what you all think.
I like it the way it is. I vote to leave it alone.
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby Deuce Loosely » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:52 pm

thundercatlord wrote:
Gaelstrom wrote:What do you guys think, did you like the initial shenanigans happening to her followed by the commercial, or should we ditch it and make it just him starting off? I like it the way it is, but I'd like to know what you all think.
I like it the way it is. I vote to leave it alone.

Seconded. Every punchline needs a setup.

I could change the colors for the screen border and text for the opening sequence but I don't want to add anything more to it. Anything else thrown in would be a distraction from something else. For more examples of what I'm trying to do, they also transition shows in this fashion on USA, Spike-TV, FX, and VH1. I'm sure there are others.

I'm not sure how the text isn't aligned. It's left justification. Same specs for each instance of text in the sequence.

I did the Premiere Pro joke because there is always a good number of editors viewing this at conventions. I find them usually hanging around for the entirety of closing credits to see what material was used. Believe it or not, the casual AMV fan is the minority for these audiences. Sure, the editors we get may "see" whatever technical problems may exist but they come to be entertained. The AMV contest is where the editors scrutinize and pick apart the videos shown there. Not at the Salad panels. I'm not implying I'm taking it casually because of that. I want them to approach me after it's done and jump on board for the next one. Contests are competition; this is for fun. Let's all not lose sight of that. ;)
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby Gaelstrom » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:07 pm

deuceloosely wrote: Seconded. Every punchline needs a setup.

I'm not sure how the text isn't aligned. It's left justification. Same specs for each instance of text in the sequence.

I did the Premiere Pro joke because there is always a good number of editors viewing this at conventions. I find them usually hanging around for the entirety of closing credits to see what material was used. Believe it or not, the casual AMV fan is the minority for these audiences. Sure, the editors we get may "see" whatever technical problems may exist but they come to be entertained. The AMV contest is where the editors scrutinize and pick apart the videos shown there. Not at the Salad panels. I'm not implying I'm taking it casually because of that. I want them to approach me after it's done and jump on board for the next one. Contests are competition; this is for fun. Let's all not lose sight of that. ;)


All right, we'll leave Fruits Wearhouse the way it is then.

I made something quickly in Photoshop to give you an idea of what I think could help the intro be more definitive.

http://rapidshare.com/files/249427272/I ... t.jpg.html

This was just whatever came to mind as I did it, but the intention is to give a clearer picture of what is happening on screen. If you like aspects of it but have other ideas what you'd like, just write some details of what you'd like and I'll have it done in a a little while for you, then you just fit the clip into the template and put a stroke on it (can vegas do that?).

As I rewatched the section, I realized that you were actually already doing a version of the ticker idea I had, but the information blended together which is why I never noticed. If you made maybe 6-8 different funny bits of info on the bottom and had them fade out and fade in every 8-10 seconds, or one fades out as the other slides into place from the right really quickly, the movement will draw attention to them and will also draw break up the reservoir dogs clip's slowness.

As for the Premiere overlays, I still disagree I'm sorry to say. I don't believe that even editors would choose to have two unrelated jokes overlayed on top of one another. And in this case, I think sakuraslight doesn't seem to like the end result either based on the above. It's a worthwhile experiment, but I would never bank on a joke being for such a specific audience, because editors are definitely not the majority of who will view this in the long run. Hell, Code just voiced his desire to join after not even seeing it in a con, so I don't think you'll have to worry :D
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby Deuce Loosely » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:24 pm

Now I see what you were saying. I can make this in Vegas but I can change the colors a bit (I like darker colors that aren't so vivid, if that makes any sense) and "cookie cutter" where the text is,...a process with several steps, but it can be done. Thanks for the layout.

As I reconstruct this monster, you'll all see a major difference. Especially in how much smoother it flows. There will be more of a defined rhythm throughout. I'll post a RapidShare link when the "rewrite" is done...
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby Gaelstrom » Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:25 am

http://rapidshare.com/files/249465173/I ... e.rar.html

Here's a slightly darker version of the template without text or picture so you can fit everything in it if you want. Also you may have noticed your logo wasn't white in the last one since I slapped it in there for example purposes and forgot to paint behind it :) I don't know if vegas can hue/saturation selected sections, but if you want to bring the template into any paint program you might have, I can match any color for you if you sent it to me. Note that I basically just desaturated the colors and chose blue because you chose blue, and chose orange because it's a complimentary color. So if you want to drop it in a paint program and put the colors you want in it, I'll take care of the template so you can focus on the text and other things.

Also, while you're considering what could work for the Law and Order knocks, what about more things for the intro? Here's a few I thought of:

OTAKU BATTLE!
NEETs vs. Hikikomori! Who Will Step Outside First?
Live 24-Hour Video Of Front Doors for Ninth Month Straight

Funimation Copyrights 'Fun'
Families Sued for Children Having Enjoyment
Live Court Case at 8 PM Eastern, Followed By Executions

THE REAL STORY
Original One Piece Dub Causes Mass Suicides
See Why Redub Was Forced at Gunpoint, Sunday at Eleven

HARUHI DECLARES BASEBALL GOD'S GIFT TO MAN
Team Fortress Scout Announces: "Play Ball!"
See Negative Space's First Game when Camera Crew Returns... We Hope
(Forgot if it was Negative Space or not... probably wrong, but you get the idea)
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby thundercatlord » Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:49 am

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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby skyedream75 » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:23 am

Gaelstrom wrote:http://rapidshare.com/files/249465173/IntroTemplate.rar.html

Here's a slightly darker version of the template without text or picture so you can fit everything in it if you want. Also you may have noticed your logo wasn't white in the last one since I slapped it in there for example purposes and forgot to paint behind it :) I don't know if vegas can hue/saturation selected sections, but if you want to bring the template into any paint program you might have, I can match any color for you if you sent it to me. Note that I basically just desaturated the colors and chose blue because you chose blue, and chose orange because it's a complimentary color. So if you want to drop it in a paint program and put the colors you want in it, I'll take care of the template so you can focus on the text and other things.

Also, while you're considering what could work for the Law and Order knocks, what about more things for the intro? Here's a few I thought of:

OTAKU BATTLE!
NEETs vs. Hikikomori! Who Will Step Outside First?
Live 24-Hour Video Of Front Doors for Ninth Month Straight

Funimation Copyrights 'Fun'
Families Sued for Children Having Enjoyment
Live Court Case at 8 PM Eastern, Followed By Executions

THE REAL STORY
Original One Piece Dub Causes Mass Suicides
See Why Redub Was Forced at Gunpoint, Sunday at Eleven

HARUHI DECLARES BASEBALL GOD'S GIFT TO MAN
Team Fortress Scout Announces: "Play Ball!"
See Negative Space's First Game when Camera Crew Returns... We Hope
(Forgot if it was Negative Space or not... probably wrong, but you get the idea)


Love the template and the new text ideas. :up:
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby Deuce Loosely » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:58 am

I'm about 8:30-something into the "rewrite.

I'm taking a nap and then I need to take care of "real life" foo.

The downside to all this? I doubt the 'org will allow an exchange. I haven't heard from Otakon so I think we're locked in with the copy they have. Bummer... :(
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby Gaelstrom » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:16 pm

Keep e-mailing/calling. Hell, I'll join in, who do we contact? Seriously, who do we contact, more calls for info will reveal urgency. Plus, the org not allowing a replacement seems a bit... senseless? Isn't it just a re-upload? Either way, seriously, make sure to bring a DVD to Otakon... actually bring two ^^ We'll walk the hell into the 'control center' and raise some hell. This is America, an exessive level of loud screaming will always lead to ceding to demands... or a police escort.

Either way, it's such a simple thing to do. It's not like they have to do anything to the DVD, do they? We can even slip the dude controlling the machines a 20 at the beginning of the fanparodies and get him to replace the DVD. I'm not even joking ^^ I don't believe the Otakon heads will find it unreasonable, though. Perhaps a bit unorthodox, but definitely not unreasonable as long as they get a look at it to make sure you're not going to broadcast porn or something.
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Re: AMV Salad 3: the tour begins at Otakon

Postby Deuce Loosely » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:38 pm

Gaelstrom wrote:Either way, it's such a simple thing to do. It's not like they have to do anything to the DVD, do they? We can even slip the dude controlling the machines a 20 at the beginning of the fanparodies and get him to replace the DVD. I'm not even joking ^^ I don't believe the Otakon heads will find it unreasonable, though. Perhaps a bit unorthodox, but definitely not unreasonable as long as they get a look at it to make sure you're not going to broadcast porn or something.

Considering they accept:
1. VHS
2. mpeg1 or mpeg2 data files only,...

II believe they create a DVD out of all those sources, so in a way this is a massive MEP in the end. And since I'm the point of contact, it might not be wise to have others take on a letter-writing campaign on this project's behalf. I'll try again to contact and see if he has a FTP or something. If nothing else, I'll send a Megaupload link. Otakon is a HUGE event so more time for setup is needed...
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