Yaoi Dream Puppets MEP (Released...you read right, RELEASED)

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Postby Ingow » Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:22 am

savvy_style wrote:I want you to point out any flaws, indiscrepancies, places that move too fast or slow, perhaps too many effects or not enough, too many scene changes or bad transitions, or maybe something that you just don't like for no apparent reason! Tell me anything and EVERYTHING you can possibly find wrong with this AMV. It'll only help to improve it :3

k, but first I'd like to say that the beginning is great, the white borders help the AR problems (it didn't annoy me at all) and that I didn't see ANY too slow or too fast scenes in there. oh and btw is that an official logo at the end? cause if it is I bet I could still integrate it in my intro somehow

the only bad points I could find were:
0:37 = maybe you could frame hold here to get around the lip flap since nothing except for his lips are moving
0:42 = too much lip flap after another IMO, this scene is the point where it gets too much on the eyes so it maybe should be shorter or frozen or slowed down or something like that
01:35 = a bit too cheesy for my tastes ;> maybe you could just slow it down and blur it a bit or something to still get his expression

savvy_style wrote:(this is gonna be the most awesome MEP evar! DX )

oh definately :OOOO

Now on to the intro:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=48FMSJN8

The images I've chosen are the way they are because I was like I already mentioned going for popular pairings that aren't yet used in the project itself (= sorry for the naruto overload ;>). And since the scenes are passing by pretty fast I don't really think that it gives off too much of a "this is going to be in the project" or a "this pairing is attached to this editor" feeling. If I'm wrong and you guys don't like that concept we can go with something different, it just feels wrong for me to do the same thing as in the credits and it also feels wrong to introduce the MEP without introducing the fanworks this project is somehow pretty much based of.

Tell me if any names are misspelled or some of the information is incorrect or anything like that. Also tell me if something looks too bad on the eyes. Oh and that Harry Potter gag is really just for fun, I can remove it at any time if wanted ;)
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Postby kiarrens » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:35 am

The anticipation was killing me, so I'm using my boyfriend's computer to download/watch these.
(Shh, no one tell him I downloaded yaoi onto his PC! :D )

Savvy_style: Wow, I really like it. The only issues I have are really with all that lip-flap. It's all over the place - especially bad in the Ouran segment, though, ouch. At first I thought it was an attempt at lip-sync, then I realized it was just flap. Good job on all the rest though, and good choice on the white letterboxing, it makes the changes in aspect ratio seem less obvious. Kickass job on the logo at the end, too, I love it.

Ingow: I really like it! The only criticism I have is that the heart looks kinda squashed at the top. Harry and Draco on the broomstick were just amazingly adorable, they made me go, "awwww!" And yeah.... Hitachiin twins. Mmmm. :D
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Postby savvy_style » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:18 am

@Ingow: How about I lip-synch the 0:35 instead? So it flows a little better?
And on that note, I guess I need to go on an anti-lip-synch rampage again like I did in my "Here We Go..." video >_> ('cept I made that video was devoid of any lip movement)

And for the 0:42, I can get rid of the lip flap, and I guess add a little zooming (like I did with the bedroom scene right after that)

And for the 1:35: aawwww, but cheese is gooood for yuuuuu ^_- (I've always been a fan of a little cheese X3 )
I'll try messing with that clip a little...but...most likely it's gonna stay the way it is ^^v (because that's one of about 5 clips that I absolutely love...so...a bit of a selfish editor here >_> my favorite clip was the opening saiyuki one...dunno why)

As for the logo, I can send it to you (it's a remake of the one u_queen sent me as the 'official' logo). Do you want just the straight picture, or all the individual pieces too?

@Kiarrens: Actually the Ouran was lip-synched...er...at least...I tried for it be T_T (I guess it didn't look too good?)
I'll try to do the lip-synch again, but I thought I had it perfectly already...time to bring in another pair of eyes >_>
The places I did go for lip-synch was the entire Ouran segment where lips are moving, the "I love you" after the ouran segment, and the "I forgive you" right after that. The rest is all lip flap ^^v (though I'm gonna turn the first "I love you" into lip-synch :3

I think the place I wouldn't be able to get rid of the lip flap is the Toward the Terra clip towards the end (the one where the two are in space), because the animators decided to animate the jaws and there's the blue aura around them @_@ (it'd be exceedingly hard...but I could try?)
And yeah, I also liked the white letter boxing, I thought it gave it more of a 'soft' feel to the video :3

Thanks for the opinions guys! And I'm glad you guys liked it despite the few flaws :3
Okies, time for Savvy to get to work!

Also ingow, think you could raise that underscore in my name to a hyphen? :D "Savvy-Style"
The opening is just lovely...there is sooo not too much naruto (what are you talking about?) And the flying broom at the end also makes me giggle all fangirly like X3
(PS: hurhur, I got HikaruxKaoru >3 ~♥)
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Postby Ingow » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:48 am

kiarrens wrote:Ingow: I really like it! The only criticism I have is that the heart looks kinda squashed at the top. Harry and Draco on the broomstick were just amazingly adorable, they made me go, "awwww!" And yeah.... Hitachiin twins. Mmmm. :D

glad you like it ^^

the heart was probably one of the things that gave me the most problems, it has already been tweaked several times, I'll try making it look better by inserting the logo. I'll have to see which version looks better in the end.

savvy_style wrote:@Ingow: How about I lip-synch the 0:35 instead? So it flows a little better?

That would work, but I think that lip synching that part's gotta be tough so I still think that a frame hold would work too in case the lip sync doesn't work out
savvy_style wrote:And for the 1:35: aawwww, but cheese is gooood for yuuuuu ^_- (I've always been a fan of a little cheese X3 )
I'll try messing with that clip a little...but...most likely it's gonna stay the way it is ^^v (because that's one of about 5 clips that I absolutely love...so...a bit of a selfish editor here >_> my favorite clip was the opening saiyuki one...dunno why)

See, I agree on the saiyuki one, and if you really love that ouran clip it's fine. Just as input I'd suggest slowing down the scene just one touch because it feels a little bit too off-synch on the lips near the end that's all ;)
savvy_style wrote:As for the logo, I can send it to you (it's a remake of the one u_queen sent me as the 'official' logo). Do you want just the straight picture, or all the individual pieces too?

is there any chance that you got a photoshop file of it with all the layers and transparency and stuff? cause I think I could use that the most
savvy_style wrote:Also ingow, think you could raise that underscore in my name to a hyphen? :D "Savvy-Style"

sure, no prob :)
savvy_style wrote:The opening is just lovely...there is sooo not too much naruto (what are you talking about?) And the flying broom at the end also makes me giggle all fangirly like X3
(PS: hurhur, I got HikaruxKaoru >3 ~♥)

Glad you like it, and well I tried to keep the Naruto at a minimum so I just included the most important pairings but it still ended up being the series that got most credit in the intro so I was worried that it could be too much for some people. But it seems that that's not the case so I'm happy ^^
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Postby savvy_style » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:10 pm

Ah, I misread the time signature on for 0:35, I thought you were talking about 0:37 @_@
Yes, that clip (0:35) will be nooooo lip movement >_>

And I'm still gonna mess with the Ouran one, to see if there's a better way to do it (at the very least tighten up the lip-synch) :3

And Logo sent via PM! :D
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Postby Ingow » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:23 pm

savvy_style wrote:Logo sent via PM! :D

Perfect, got it :up:
I'll get straight to work, I might have to adjust some colors of the logo to make it fit better I guess but nothing major it'll still be the same logo basically.
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Postby savvy_style » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:28 pm

I don't think u_queen will mind X3
As long as you make it look good ^_-
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Postby dj_ultima_the_great » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:13 pm

@Ingow: aw... /me doesn't know the characters behind her name ;_;

Anyway, that was really nice. ;p I'm not seeing any typos or weird stuff, so it gets my seal of approval. :up:


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Postby wurpess » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:24 pm

@ Ingow-Awwww. That's adorable!!! *^_^* I love the pic/couple you put with mine. :twisted: And no typos that I could see.

Hopefully I'll have my segment done soon. :?
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Postby kikai_saigono » Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:02 pm

aww if only I hadn't maxed out my download limit at megaupload on betas already ;___; oh well, I'll download it tomorrow ^^
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Postby dj_ultima_the_great » Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:47 pm

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4kjkkp

Alrighty, here's my second beta. Hopefully it's the last one, as I feel I'm finished making corrections - unless someone else spots something I missed.

I realize that there is still some lip flap in the video. Without knowing how to do motion tracking, I really don't know how to help the scenes that are moving. I did my best to get rid of the flap during the still scenes, though, and I hope it's not as painfully obvious to everyone else as it is to me. Other technical stuff should have been fixed, but let me know if I forgot something, 'kay? Thanks.


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Postby CodeZTM » Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:56 pm

Ingow, that gets an INSTA WIN from me! Much better than mine ^_^'
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Postby Ingow » Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:10 pm

Thanks for the kind words everyone ^^

dj_ultima_the_great wrote:@Ingow: aw... /me doesn't know the characters behind her name ;_;

you got me there, I kinda put one of my personal favorites in there, it's BanxGinji from GetBackers, but it's still on a mediocre popularity level so it's legit ;)

kikai_saigono wrote:aww if only I hadn't maxed out my download limit at megaupload on betas already ;___; oh well, I'll download it tomorrow ^^

sorry but I just get the best upload speed on megaupload for some reason so I prefer it over mediafire when I'm uploading something most of the time

speaking of which, Intro v2:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EQMN4EYE

changes:
-the zabuza/haku pic got a bit brighter (for the eyes)
-savvy's nick got fixed
-the naruto scene is now clearer, though it now has an ugly lost frame which I'll get rid of in the next or final version
-the heart looks like a heart (!)
-integrated the logo

there's one thing that I'm not sure of though, it's whether or not the logo by itself has enough on-screen time or if it should be shown a bit longer. I think I'll expand the lenght a bit for the final.
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Postby u_queen » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:21 pm

@Savvy
Wow, amazing work, I like a lot the begining. It seems Ingow has mentioned the lip flap, so I just want to ask you to extend a few seconds the guitar solo. Just to remind you that your video is the last one before credits and I need some time at the begining for the transition ^_^

@Ingow
Very nice intro.
kikai_saigono wrote:aww if only I hadn't maxed out my download limit at megaupload on betas already ;___; oh well, I'll download it tomorrow ^^

x2 I noticed there was a second intro exactly when the first one finished.

Unfortunately Andika has a beta with the same Naruto scene :( (but without kissing 0_0); I don't want it to look repetitive. In fact I like it too much to erase it, maybe if you turn it horizontal will look diferent... or I can talk with Andika, whatever you choose.

@dj_ultima_the_great
Well, it seems you've made your best to remove the lip flap. Just something about cleaning the video, in 0:57 there's some dot crawl in Kyo's hair. I think that's all I can point there.
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Postby dj_ultima_the_great » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:53 pm

Ah, damn. I noticed when I was ripping that Kyou's hair had that problem, but I thought I got it all out when I was filtering. I'll see if I can get that scene to blend in a little more. After that, may I send you my final lossless video? Oh, and I was wondering if you wanted the audio in the video. Some coordinators just like it there because it helps match up the segments more easily. Some don't care and only want the separate .wav. What's your preference? (Sorry if you answered that some pages back. I've been following the thread, but I can't remember what you may have said regarding that.)

In any case, I'll try to clean up that dot crawl and then I guess I'll just sit tight for your response.


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