AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (Nekocon 14, here we come!)

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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Mon May 30, 2011 2:15 pm

Sorry for not chiming in sooner...I was away at a camping trip -_-*.

As for cuts on my end PLEASE FEEL FREE to cut the "I can't believe it's not butter". I had sent it to Gael to assist with the audio but at this point I don't think it's worth it with all the other things we all have yet to get finished in order to make this the best it can be. I have sent in quite a few since the last beta so it's not as if we will be loosing all that much time, just substituted. I have also made corrections to those clips which had glitches in the original and sent them in with the new ones. Is there anyway we can get an updated "Beta" out soon with all the clips we've received? that way I think we could really see what needs to be cut and once we get a good feel for it we can work on order and arrangement.

As for Gag clips on my end I had a wonderful idea for a double "Double fluffy boom" clip (As I figured we could do the "It's so fluffy" as a mini gag and this clip would kind of tie the two together) but unless I use this Optimus Prime audio clip (Try to find a way to download it first though -_-*) my idea may not work. If anyone could help me I am looking for a audio clip that has the phrase "Any last words?". I am unable to find one except for the Optimus one I mentioned...now I could probably come up with something but if anyone happens to have that audio clip and or a link to YouTube or something that I could download it from PLEASE reply here with the link or send me a PM?

From what I'm gathering we don't necessarily need any more "new" clips but any time remaining for those of us who don't need to make clip corrections should be spent on working on explosion gag clips, is that correct? If I can get my hands on that audio clip I need you will have another one and I will try to come up with a few more. I'm trying to keep away from the actual audio before the explosion as that would be repetitive but just to get an idea about how many would we need for this?

I will try my best to get a few more gag clips to you within the next couple of days and if there is ANYTHING anyone needs help with (help to try and tighten up lip sync or what have you) please let me know! I would be more than happy to help you out! Please also let me know if there is anything else we need done to get this pretty much finished. Again sorry for the late input and the long message. Now I'm going off to get to work ^_^
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Mon May 30, 2011 4:23 pm

To truly complete this project, at least to a full alpha state, I think a couple more explosion clips are the bare minimum. I love the idea of tying together the fluffy and explosions. Where is this optimus prime clip you were talking about? Did you find it and can't get the audio or... ? And if that doesn't work, are you looking for lines from anywhere to add in, or specific anime clips? The current strongest explosion clips are actually yours, the two ones I call the 'obvious' ones ^^ Even the current ideas we have for new clips aren't quite as strong unless we can get a button click into the mix

For other clips, since thanks to moonbunnychan, the title should be changed from TV DINNER to "AMV Salad 5: Moonbunnychan is insane," I don't personally believe we should lock out others just yet ^^ While some clips definitely need an audience test run, others we can tell through experience whether they'll work or not after the fact. Moonbunnychan had a very prolific year, but I personally am behind on my desired clip amounts. I had a lot going on this past year that killed my creativity and desire to do anything, and while that is my fault, I want to make up for it. I have two seminars coming up, so all this week, I'm going to be focussing on clips, and next week when I get back as well.

I want to do some smaller ones like one piece "Good morning my neighbors!" and such to break apart longer clips. We've got an abundance of long ones. Any I made would probably fit snuggly inside the time for Spider Pig or She-ra if either got cut. Plus we also need to cut a solid minute, if not more, off of the Screw in the Tuna clip. If whoever did that isn't in contact or isn't able to comment on my request to change some of the better footage from the later portion into the beginning and then cut it off during the arm flailing portion, Deuce can at least cut it off easily enough. The idea's extremely solid, just a bit too long. Even if people were still laughing at it, I don't think that one should push its luck ^^

One question for you all, what do you think of me doing a version of my original Gundam one where he DOESN'T explode? Where he goes "Now then! YIKES! AND AWAY!! *Click*" *Still shot of the gundam* Cut to him, still, then have him click repeatedly, then show Zechs sitting in his chair as the clicks are heard over the footage, cut back to the gundam, then cut back to Heero and just have him stop and go "SH**" and end on that. May be a decent one for post credits perhaps? I'm still trying to think of other good ones.

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SammySama, no real two ways about it, that was fuckin' funny ^^ I laughed out loud truly four full times after watching it, there's something new to catch each time. Your timing is really there, and the explosion was good too. You can tell that the explosion is coming because it's mustang, but because you used the fluffy line (as well as that awesome ed face everyone loves ^^) it doesn't matter that they know what type of clip it's going to be. This'll be absolutely perfect near the end after the other explosions and fluffy clips, a wonderful unification. Very nice job ^^ Only thing I wonder is if we should up the volume on the 'fluffy' lines across the whole production, they may be a bit hard to hear in an auditorium, especially if there's any residual laughter in the audience or anything.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Mon May 30, 2011 4:42 pm

Gaelstrom wrote:
One question for you all, what do you think of me doing a version of my original Gundam one where he DOESN'T explode? Where he goes "Now then! YIKES! AND AWAY!! *Click*" *Still shot of the gundam* Cut to him, still, then have him click repeatedly, then show Zechs sitting in his chair as the clicks are heard over the footage, cut back to the gundam, then cut back to Heero and just have him stop and go "SH**" and end on that. May be a decent one for post credits perhaps? I'm still trying to think of other good ones.


I think that's a great idea! I'd love to see a version of that when you get it finished!

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SammySama, no real two ways about it, that was fuckin' funny ^^ I laughed out loud truly four full times after watching it, there's something new to catch each time. Your timing is really there, and the explosion was good too. You can tell that the explosion is coming because it's mustang, but because you used the fluffy line (as well as that awesome ed face everyone loves ^^) it doesn't matter that they know what type of clip it's going to be. This'll be absolutely perfect near the end after the other explosions and fluffy clips, a wonderful unification. Very nice job ^^ Only thing I wonder is if we should up the volume on the 'fluffy' lines across the whole production, they may be a bit hard to hear in an auditorium, especially if there's any residual laughter in the audience or anything.


I can go through my clips and up the volume on the fluffy lines if you think it would be best. the only volume control I have though is through Sony Vegas. I'll up the fluffy volume, render and then substitute it into the clip to see if it's better. If it is I'll replace the line in that clip as well as the other two fluffy clips I've sent to Deuce.

At this point I think I've run out of explosion ideas...if you happen to have any suggestions I'd be more than happy to act on them. :D
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Mon May 30, 2011 5:50 pm

I raised the fluffy audio on this one, any better?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Uo5IKXAq4
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Mon May 30, 2011 6:14 pm

SammySamaProductions wrote:I raised the fluffy audio on this one, any better?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Uo5IKXAq4


Yup, actually now that I hear it, I probably should have said to raise the "Any Last Words" as well. Don't spike the audio of course, but raising it so that it's not too subtle would be a good idea. And now that I look at the clip again, I'm wondering if it wouldn't do well with a second or two of just a shot of Mustang or Ed with the audio from the source of right before "Any Last Words?" so it's not so abrupt a clip, just in case there's more residual laughter from a previous clip.

Other than that, you may want to make it even louder, since the "IT'S SO FLUFFY!!" is kind of throaty and fast, so I get the feeling it'll have some people have trouble hearing it when it's bouncing off walls. Scott just told me the "The hell..? D'I just get laid?" was hard to hear, so I'm upping that volume as well. Plus he/she is screaming it, so it's reasonable to be louder, but not too much more. I think you're on the right track though. Just close your eyes when you're listening and if you're like "might be too loud" then it might be. Another thing is if you're in a place with multiple rooms, let it play, then head outside the door and see what's hard to hear over two or three play throughs. The wall will muffle it a bit and see what things become a tad unclear and that'll be an indication of which areas may be troubled by speaker base. This only really makes sense when you're using multiple audio sources though.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Mon May 30, 2011 6:34 pm

Gaelstrom wrote:
SammySamaProductions wrote:I raised the fluffy audio on this one, any better?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Uo5IKXAq4


Yup, actually now that I hear it, I probably should have said to raise the "Any Last Words" as well. Don't spike the audio of course, but raising it so that it's not too subtle would be a good idea. And now that I look at the clip again, I'm wondering if it wouldn't do well with a second or two of just a shot of Mustang or Ed with the audio from the source of right before "Any Last Words?" so it's not so abrupt a clip, just in case there's more residual laughter from a previous clip.

Other than that, you may want to make it even louder, since the "IT'S SO FLUFFY!!" is kind of throaty and fast, so I get the feeling it'll have some people have trouble hearing it when it's bouncing off walls. Scott just told me the "The hell..? D'I just get laid?" was hard to hear, so I'm upping that volume as well. Plus he/she is screaming it, so it's reasonable to be louder, but not too much more. I think you're on the right track though. Just close your eyes when you're listening and if you're like "might be too loud" then it might be. Another thing is if you're in a place with multiple rooms, let it play, then head outside the door and see what's hard to hear over two or three play throughs. The wall will muffle it a bit and see what things become a tad unclear and that'll be an indication of which areas may be troubled by speaker base. This only really makes sense when you're using multiple audio sources though.


okay thanks! ^_^ I will do that. the room trick is pretty genius and never thought to try that for volume levels before.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Mon May 30, 2011 7:14 pm

No problem, be careful though, it's just a poor-man's trick to give you a new perspective on the sound. Sitting in front of it and listening to it for a while can make it hard to listen from an unbiased state of mind. But going behind the wall isn't accurate for anything, it just helps you mix things up and recognize certain things being at different volume levels than others in the cases where multiple are used. So you have to be careful not to go overboard and make it blare through the wall as well ^^ It also depends what quality speakers you have, since most of us don't have production studio quality speakers. Either way, hope it helps in the future too.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Tue May 31, 2011 1:36 am

So I looked over the AMA schedule they posted and there's no listed time for AMV Salad 5. they have 4 being shown at 5 but the beta isn't on the list...and what's up with the scheduling this year? seems like somethings are in really wacky time slots....
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby moonbunnychan » Tue May 31, 2011 3:17 am

I really wish I could go to AMA, it just always falls too close to Otakon and I can't afford both (especially since I take some sort of actual vacation in summer as well).
I think though it's not technically on the schedule because it IS just a beta screening and I think he does it after showing the past one.
But if both you and Deuce are gonna be there, do you think one of you could record it happening? Last year he wrote down a list of reactions but I think it's a lot more effective to hear it yourself. And not just that, but I think it's just as important to know just not how hard people laugh but when they laugh in a clip...and how long it lasts so you don't put something behind a clip where the funny part of it will be missed because people are still laughing at whatever came before.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Tue May 31, 2011 4:07 am

moonbunnychan wrote:I really wish I could go to AMA, it just always falls too close to Otakon and I can't afford both (especially since I take some sort of actual vacation in summer as well).
I think though it's not technically on the schedule because it IS just a beta screening and I think he does it after showing the past one.
But if both you and Deuce are gonna be there, do you think one of you could record it happening? Last year he wrote down a list of reactions but I think it's a lot more effective to hear it yourself. And not just that, but I think it's just as important to know just not how hard people laugh but when they laugh in a clip...and how long it lasts so you don't put something behind a clip where the funny part of it will be missed because people are still laughing at whatever came before.


In every way, shape, and form, agreed. That's why I asked for one last year as well, but I think Deuce had some kind of technical difficulties that had him not able to record. I'm against recording from the front, or even telling people that you're recording since it changes peoples' natural reactions. So especially if you're in the audience SammySama, that would be great. But if you're going to be on a panel with Deuce or something, see if you can surreptitiously turn on a camera and leave it running out into the audience without telling them, either of you ^^ Even if it's a small crowd we can get a decent reaction. When I stepped in on my Haruvi Baadoman clip, I immediately started recording to get the last half. The laughs were landing around the same times and same intensities, but also one extra one because it was in a small enough room for people to hear "GO BE EFFICIENT!" So it really helps to tell which ones were getting lost last year in the audio issues as well.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby moonbunnychan » Tue May 31, 2011 5:27 pm

I saw last year's at Otakon, Anime USA, and Katsucon, which were all varying sizes of audience, and reactions were in fact more or less the same across all three. Like all three clapped during Fraggle Rock. Granted, all three of those cons are fairly geographically close so a lot of the same people go to all three. The biggest and best response though obviously was Otakon, since it was by far the biggest audience and also brand new.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Tue May 31, 2011 5:43 pm

Sure I have no problem with recording the audience reaction ^_^ I usually sit in the back anyway so might as well "Go be efficient" lol. SO long as you guys don't mind my friend's commentary ...though that might be beneficial too...they tend to nit pick or they did last year anyway. If we can get wifi in the room I'll upload the video as soon as we get back from the viewing and post it so you all can see ^_^
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby Gaelstrom » Tue May 31, 2011 6:34 pm

SammySamaProductions wrote:Sure I have no problem with recording the audience reaction ^_^ I usually sit in the back anyway so might as well "Go be efficient" lol. SO long as you guys don't mind my friend's commentary ...though that might be beneficial too...they tend to nit pick or they did last year anyway. If we can get wifi in the room I'll upload the video as soon as we get back from the viewing and post it so you all can see ^_^


If you can get them to hold off until the end, that'd help. You can even transcribe their thoughts here. Actually at Otakon, my friends were piiiissed at some people in front of them, or behind them, who wouldn't shut up about it. I guess somehow they'd seen AMVS4 or something and were spoiling it for them, not sure how, but they were quite annoyed afterward at the people talking over the jokes. For the purposes of the video, if we can get normal audience reaction that'd be best, so hopefully they'll recognize that ^^ If they have comments though, like I said, take 'em here, we'll listen.
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Re: AMV Salad 5: Happy Meal (ONE WEEK to FINAL deadline!)

Postby SammySamaProductions » Tue May 31, 2011 6:43 pm

Gaelstrom wrote:
SammySamaProductions wrote:Sure I have no problem with recording the audience reaction ^_^ I usually sit in the back anyway so might as well "Go be efficient" lol. SO long as you guys don't mind my friend's commentary ...though that might be beneficial too...they tend to nit pick or they did last year anyway. If we can get wifi in the room I'll upload the video as soon as we get back from the viewing and post it so you all can see ^_^


If you can get them to hold off until the end, that'd help. You can even transcribe their thoughts here. Actually at Otakon, my friends were piiiissed at some people in front of them, or behind them, who wouldn't shut up about it. I guess somehow they'd seen AMVS4 or something and were spoiling it for them, not sure how, but they were quite annoyed afterward at the people talking over the jokes. For the purposes of the video, if we can get normal audience reaction that'd be best, so hopefully they'll recognize that ^^ If they have comments though, like I said, take 'em here, we'll listen.


I will do my very best ^_^ though if you see a group in the back duck taped, don't panic Deuce, they're with me lol. I was thinking of just standing in the back but that might give me away. Where's a helmet cam when you need one lol. But if they have any comments I'll get them to voice them at the end and be sure to add them here. One is a beginning editor who I'm trying to get involved with the project, the other..well...I'm working with her lol.
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