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Re: Clannad

Postby Pas » Wed May 06, 2009 12:27 am

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ITT: Fucking retards.

There is no "best". It's a completely subjective term, and should be treated as such. Me saying I am the best person in the whole goddamn fucking world doesn't make me the best, but can you prove me wrong? No you can't, because if I say I am the best, I am the best [insert ⑨ reference here]. Whether or not you agree with me holds no sway over MY opinion, and you saying I'm not the best simply means that you do not agree.

Popularity, mainstream etc have NOTHING to do with this. At all. All that means is that MORE people appreciate/enjoy it, and thus it can accurately be deemed more POPULAR, not BETTER.

Same goes for the case Ish is trying to bring up. While I agree that shows like Mushishi and GiTS: SAC are far better than shit like Naruto and Bleach, once again this is just MY opinion. It's not a fact, and no amount of repeating it will make it so.

So in short, all your goddamn arguments are fucking invalid, simply because this is a matter of opinion.
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Re: Clannad

Postby EvaFan » Wed May 06, 2009 1:10 am

When something is popular there will be people who will antagonize it regardless of how they actually feel about it simply because its popular. I'm not going to say this ANN reviewer did it (if he did, he did a good job of hiding it) however he kept referring to kanon on a frackin review for clannad and I hate that shit. When reviewing something review it, don't compare it. If i was to hate his review it would be for that reason not because of how he felt about the show.
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Re: Clannad

Postby Knowname » Wed May 06, 2009 2:59 am

Ishbalan wrote:What I consider to be among "the best" fit into a specific species of anime that doesn't get done often, and definitely isn't "mainstream". The episodic story tales. These are things like Kino's Journey, Mushishi, GITS SAC, Paranoia Agent, and Bartender.


Epeen contest eh? Well I consider those animes mostly boring, well, Mush and GITSSAC- boring; Kino, Paranoia Agent- I dunno I feel smart watching it xD but like Lain it's overall very niche ala hit and miss; Bartender- not seen it

Anyway these are all your and my opinion, PERSONAL Best not the PUBLIC Best the mainstream conforms to.

[quote=Ish]You can't judge what you haven't seen, and you can't appreciate a great work of literature if you have the experience of a third-grader.

It's easy to say that the Sun is the biggest star in the universe when its the closest one to you.[/quote]
yes, you can. that's why there are baselines otherwise how could you trust reviews? Actually what you are saying is you probably don't trust reviews as they wouldn't have your answer, they try to talk to the mainstream. All fine and good but, you know, it's just easier if you just quit ignoring the mainstream.

BEST in a reviews case is BEST in the mainstream's case right? You don't want someone making your mind up for you only YOU can make your mind up for you right? So when the reviewer says 'this is the BEST' or 'this is NOT the best' he is speaking to the MAINSTREAM or public, he is NOT dictating a private opinion. In the word of a review, this review, but many reviews, BEST is targeted at the mainstream.

To further complicate things some reviewers (like the former EGM) only like to speak for themselves, but the BEST reviews tend to be the ones aimed at the mainstream. These reviews tend to be on par with such sites as gamerankings.com or our very own op #'s telling us what the PUBLIC (MAINSTREAM) likes BEST.

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NOW the way Hasteroth was using the word 'mainstream', was synonymous with BEST. Hasteroth's examples were Eva and Naruto and so on- he meant the BEST of the mainstream right? No? Even if he JUST meant mainstream... well I can't take EVA or Naruto cuz they ARE amongst the best in their category aren't they? But take Linkin Park... though I don't really have an opinion on their music I'll show you how THEY are the best. This will be hard because I really don't know jack about emo music or whatever, but. Well there's your answer, who's better than them? Nobody you'd like cuz I'd bet you don't like their music in the first place. Open and shut book.

Bad example on the grounds that I don't know any bands to compare LP to (Trust Company? I've always thought they were TOO similar).

... ok I'll compare it to Trust Company. Trust Company IMO IS better than LP.... you know what? I'm not doing this... as EVA (I stress EVA) Fan says you CAN'T do a comparison in a proper review. Why? cuz than it's not targeted towards the mainstream. A proper review of LP reviews it based on it's own merits, it simply says this band is awesome you should go see it and stuff and everybody does.

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Re: Clannad

Postby hasteroth » Wed May 06, 2009 5:58 am

Pas wrote:Quoted Image converted to link:
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ITT: Fucking retards.

There is no "best". It's a completely subjective term, and should be treated as such. Me saying I am the best person in the whole goddamn fucking world doesn't make me the best, but can you prove me wrong? No you can't, because if I say I am the best, I am the best [insert ⑨ reference here]. Whether or not you agree with me holds no sway over MY opinion, and you saying I'm not the best simply means that you do not agree.

Popularity, mainstream etc have NOTHING to do with this. At all. All that means is that MORE people appreciate/enjoy it, and thus it can accurately be deemed more POPULAR, not BETTER.

Same goes for the case Ish is trying to bring up. While I agree that shows like Mushishi and GiTS: SAC are far better than shit like Naruto and Bleach, once again this is just MY opinion. It's not a fact, and no amount of repeating it will make it so.

So in short, all your goddamn arguments are fucking invalid, simply because this is a matter of opinion.


That's what I was trying to say. Dammit I can never get it right the first time. *Leaves thread until argument dies down*
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Re: Clannad

Postby Chiikaboom » Wed May 06, 2009 12:09 pm

can we go back to talking about the epic-ness that is Fuuko Clannad plz?
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Re: Clannad

Postby hasteroth » Wed May 06, 2009 1:56 pm

Chiikaboom wrote:can we go back to talking about the epic-ness that is Fuuko Clannad plz?


*returns*

Yes that would be preferred.

But what is there to talk about at this point? I got nothing.
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Re: Clannad

Postby Ishbalan » Wed May 06, 2009 7:05 pm

It's been 103 pages already. I think everything to say about Clannad has been said already. :|

Spoiler :
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Re: Clannad

Postby hasteroth » Wed May 06, 2009 8:02 pm

Ishbalan wrote:It's been 103 pages already. I think everything to say about Clannad has been said already. :|

Spoiler :
Thread lock?


No way. There's still another episode in the works.
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Re: Clannad

Postby hasteroth » Wed May 06, 2009 8:02 pm

hasteroth wrote:
Ishbalan wrote:It's been 103 pages already. I think everything to say about Clannad has been said already. :|

Spoiler :
Thread lock?


No way. There's still another episode in the works.


Double post- It comes out in July.
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Re: Clannad

Postby Moonie » Thu May 07, 2009 10:49 am

I really need to watch this anime sometime..
Then i can figure out why fuuko is so awesome
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Re: Clannad

Postby hasteroth » Thu May 07, 2009 11:01 am

Moonie wrote:I really need to watch this anime sometime..
Then i can figure out why fuuko is so awesome


What you haven't yet?

I am disappoint.
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Re: Clannad

Postby Moonie » Thu May 07, 2009 9:13 pm

hasteroth wrote:
Moonie wrote:I really need to watch this anime sometime..
Then i can figure out why fuuko is so awesome


What you haven't yet?

I am disappoint.

lol sorry
I've been meaning to watch this but never got around to it.
I saw some clips of it on the tube and some amvs with it and it looks like it should be
a really enjoyable show.
I'll probably start watching it sometime next week.
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Re: Clannad

Postby Minimoto » Fri May 08, 2009 1:48 am

Moonie wrote:I really need to watch this anime sometime..
Then i can figure out why fuuko is so awesome

Kotomi>Tomoyo>Yukine>Kyou>Misae>Nagisa>Mei>Youhei>Kappei>Ryou
That is how the list goes in my book.
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Re: Clannad

Postby hasteroth » Fri May 08, 2009 10:48 am

Someday Soon wrote:
Moonie wrote:I really need to watch this anime sometime..
Then i can figure out why fuuko is so awesome

Kotomi>Tomoyo>Yukine>Kyou>Misae>Nagisa>Mei>Youhei>Kappei>Ryou
That is how the list goes in my book.


I want to bite of your arm.

Fuko > Yukine > Kyou > Kotomi > Misae > Nagisa > Youhei > Ryou > Kappei
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Re: Clannad

Postby hasteroth » Fri May 08, 2009 10:49 am

hasteroth wrote:Fuko > Yukine > Kyou > Kotomi > Misae > Nagisa > Tomoyo > Youhei > Ryou > Kappe


Fix'd
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