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Postby Kalium » Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:22 pm

That sword that Gil used on Lancer? We've seen it before. In episode 14, when Archer is about to shoot Berserker with that arrow and cause a huge explosion, Archer creates that sword before he turns it into an arrow.

Might be a connection there.
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Postby OropherZero » Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:53 pm

But if Archer is Shirou from the future why didn't he just trace Excalibur, Avalon or Caliburn and PwNz Berserker? It would take out the fun of Unlimited Blade Works but it would have worked =D

I'm assuming anyone who is reading this thread is at least only 2 episodes behind otherwise look awayyyyy.
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Postby madbunny » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:14 am

OropherZero wrote:But if Archer is Shirou from the future why didn't he just trace Excalibur, Avalon or Caliburn and PwNz Berserker? It would take out the fun of Unlimited Blade Works but it would have worked =D

I'm assuming anyone who is reading this thread is at least only 2 episodes behind otherwise look awayyyyy.

Because he had to kill berserker 12 times. Plus there is no guarantee that one of those weapons would have done the job. notice how they didn't exactly toast Gilgamesh with Excalibur.
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Postby Darkflamez » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:39 pm

Ah...didn't Shirou need Saber to be able to use Caliburn because it was a holy sword and in like in Arthurian Legend, isn't it suppose to be only the "True King" can use it?
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Postby madbunny » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:52 pm

Darkflamez wrote:Ah...didn't Shirou need Saber to be able to use Caliburn because it was a holy sword and in like in Arthurian Legend, isn't it suppose to be only the "True King" can use it?


Yeah, but so what? In the legend Artur was a guy who lusted after Guiniveve. I think it's ok to be a little flexible on who can and can't use swords of legend in this show.
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Postby Bakadeshi » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:09 pm

madbunny wrote:
OropherZero wrote:But if Archer is Shirou from the future why didn't he just trace Excalibur, Avalon or Caliburn and PwNz Berserker? It would take out the fun of Unlimited Blade Works but it would have worked =D

I'm assuming anyone who is reading this thread is at least only 2 episodes behind otherwise look awayyyyy.

Because he had to kill berserker 12 times. Plus there is no guarantee that one of those weapons would have done the job. notice how they didn't exactly toast Gilgamesh with Excalibur.


Another reeason is correct me if i;m wrong, but

As explained in Eps 22, its because her scabard is in him is why he can use the trace ability in the first place, despite not being a real magician. without the scabard, he'd just be a normal guy.
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Postby AthenAltena » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:55 pm

Bakadeshi wrote:Another reeason is correct me if i;m wrong, but

As explained in Eps 22, its because her scabard is in him is why he can use the trace ability in the first place, despite not being a real magician. without the scabard, he'd just be a normal guy.


I'm not positive on this, but...

I think his trace ability is not the result of Avalon but just happens to be something he can do well. I don't recall anything specifically saying that the tracing ability was because of Avalon or not.
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Postby Bakadeshi » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:08 pm

AthenAltena wrote:
Bakadeshi wrote:Another reeason is correct me if i;m wrong, but

As explained in Eps 22, its because her scabard is in him is why he can use the trace ability in the first place, despite not being a real magician. without the scabard, he'd just be a normal guy.


I'm not positive on this, but...

I think his trace ability is not the result of Avalon but just happens to be something he can do well. I don't recall anything specifically saying that the tracing ability was because of Avalon or not.


Yea I rewatched the episode, and

It says its the source of his Autoregeneration ability, and that as an Icomplete magician, he needed it as a catalyst in order to summon her, so its quite posible that that is his own ability.

Notice that when he traced it in episode 21 though, he used all of the mana paths instead of the usual 1 or 2 that he normally uses to trace with. I wonder if that has any significance....
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Postby AthenAltena » Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:08 pm

Bakadeshi wrote:Yea I rewatched the episode, and

It says its the source of his Autoregeneration ability, and that as an Icomplete magician, he needed it as a catalyst in order to summon her, so its quite posible that that is his own ability.

Notice that when he traced it in episode 21 though, he used all of the mana paths instead of the usual 1 or 2 that he normally uses to trace with. I wonder if that has any significance....


More theorizing on that....

I think that was to show that his abilites are increasing exponentially. I just hope it's a sign that we'll see Shirou's Ultimate Blade Works before the series ends.
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Postby Kalium » Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:47 pm

AthenAltena wrote:
I think that was to show that his abilites are increasing exponentially. I just hope it's a sign that we'll see Shirou's Ultimate Blade Works before the series ends.

We'll find out soon. I'll be disappointed if we don't see it.
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Postby angelx03 » Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:20 pm

SECOND TO LAST EPISODE!!! :o

Kotomine came and turned Rin into a bloody pulp (though I was a little turned on during that scene :shock: :oops:). He then kidnapped Ilya in order to summon the Holy Grail (that scene suspiciously look like something from End of Eva).


Now comes the final battle....
...while the rematch between Saber and Gilgamesh was pretty good, I was a bit dissapointed that there was a lengthy monolouge Kotomine said to Shirou. Obviously this lead to another evil cliffhanger! :x


I'm getting a feeling we're getting an ending similar to Tsukihime, and that's....
...a bittersweet farewell from Saber. :cry:
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Postby madbunny » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:24 pm

Dammit! Dammit dammit!

I knew I should have just waited till the last ep was released.

That speech from Gilgamesh was really kind of disturbing actually. Sounded like he was describing rape via metaphor. Bastards like that automatically piss me off.
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Postby AthenAltena » Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:32 pm

madbunny wrote:Dammit! Dammit dammit!

I knew I should have just waited till the last ep was released.

That speech from Gilgamesh was really kind of disturbing actually. Sounded like he was describing rape via metaphor. Bastards like that automatically piss me off.


I find the whole characterization of Gilgamesh to interesting in this particular series. In the original myth he started out as a selfish bastard but ended up actually learning a lesson after everything he went through. It just strikes me as odd that he behaves this way given the myth he was based on.
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Postby madbunny » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:17 am

AthenAltena wrote:
madbunny wrote:Dammit! Dammit dammit!

I knew I should have just waited till the last ep was released.

That speech from Gilgamesh was really kind of disturbing actually. Sounded like he was describing rape via metaphor. Bastards like that automatically piss me off.


I find the whole characterization of Gilgamesh to interesting in this particular series. In the original myth he started out as a selfish bastard but ended up actually learning a lesson after everything he went through. It just strikes me as odd that he behaves this way given the myth he was based on.


Well, maybe he's based on the younger versions of the myth. Like when he slew the bull of the gods. Either way, his character pisses me off.

1) too powerful, requiring some Deux Ex Machina, or DBZ style power up to beat him.
2) an exception to the stated rules of the show. (he's from the last holy way, and lost.)
3) gets to break the rules and have his 'own' servant.
4) looks like a punk kid in silly armor
5) describes raping one of the characters that I like via metaphor.
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Postby Lyrs » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:05 pm

He has to be powerful, a weak challenge is not a worthy challenge. As far as the power up goes, it's the visualization of determination and for this purpose it makes sense. If you try your hardest, you'll be able to change yourself and become stronger, that's basically it.

Saber/Shirou is going to beat him in the end anyway.
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