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Postby Tochigi Zukki » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:15 pm

I doubt that's the reason it's called Dragon Ball Z.

Also, the only time this show was good, was when it was DragonBall. Dragonball was cute and funny. All of them were short and round. But then, Akira Toriyama, the man with probably the worst art style ever, decided he wanted to keep it going. So he made DBZ. He was much to lazy to create new characters, so he used the same ones from his previous show. Causing the whole story to MAKE NO SENSE. There weren't aliens in Dragon Ball. It wa a cute little fantasy, filled with chubby boys with tails and dinosaurs. Then he makes it a Sci-Fi and it turns retarded.

DBZ is a bunch of grunting because they can't put in the excessive swearing. There is a green child molestor and Vegeta. Vegeta...I can't even tell you how much he makes me want to kill the creator.

Funimation doesn't have such bad voices though. Justin Cook, the line director for Yu Yu Hakusho and DBZ, also voices of Dende and Yusuke, is the coolest. Sean Teag, who I don't even remember him being in DBZ, works with Funimation, and he rocks. I also like Christopher Sabat, no matter how horribly retarded his voices for his characters sound.

What I'm saying is, I'm not blaming the dubbers for the horribleness of DBZ. This time, it's the creators fault. I shun Akira Toriyama. Shun him.
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Postby sheikplayer123 » Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:12 pm

wow, i didnt think DBZ was that terrible. but your right its 1 episode to name the enemy, 2 episodes to power up, and 3 episodes to throw the final attack. Way too drawn out but i cant bear too much of a grudge against it. Still fun too watch when your young.

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Postby valeyard » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:56 pm

Okay, as a DBZ "purist" let's set the record straight.

If you are ONLY watching the English dub, you aren't watching DragonBall Z. That's the bottomline, sorry, you AREN'T watching DBZ. So please leave your opinions at the door, it's annoying as hell to those of us who do bother to see the real anime. The real anime is in the original Japanese, and ONLY in the original Japanese.

It's completely different in Japanese. Sometimes, whole story lines and dialogue are completey different. The music is completely different. Song numbers were cut out (like the song when Gohan goes SSJ2). Whole or sometimes half episodes are cut out (like Furiza torturing Kurinin on his horns while blood is flying everywhere). That's why there are more episodes in the Japanese, than the English. If you are judging DBZ based on what you have watched on Cartoon Network, you might as well judge War and Peace based on Reader's Digest. It's just that simple.

The reason it was called Dragonball Z in the anime is just to differ from the Dragonball series. It was a Toei decision to break the Toriyama manga into two series. It was ONLY called Dragonball in the Manga (pronouced MAYN - GA). That was a decision of Toei (Bird), and doesn't have a lot to do with Akira Toriyama.

You are juding the animators at Toei not Akira Toriyama. Some of the animation is (agreed) just lousy, some is not. Akira Toriyama had NOTHING to do with those decisions, he only drew the manga. In fact, when the character Vegeta was introduced, (in the filler episode the English dub called, "Trouble on Arlia") the colors that Toei animaters gave him were so off, Toriyama contacted them to set them straight. The boots are white. Saiya-jin all have black hair. (and so forth).

As for the later Dragonball Series. Akira Toriyama's original intention was to end the entire Dragonball series on Namek with Vegeta dying, Goku dying in his fight to kill Furiza, and Gohan returning to Earth in a bittersweet ending, as the last Saiya-jin.

Toei BEGGED him not to. He finally agreed, and took time to think of a new plot line, which started the Trunks Saga, Artificial Human Saga, and finally the Cell Saga. The time he took thinking up this Saga, also explains the Garlic Jr. Saga. Toei had to fill up the time between the Namek/Furiza Saga, and the launch of the Trunks Saga.

Some people hate the later DBZ as compared to the earlier DBZ. Agreed by the Majin Buu Saga, the SSJ 2s, 3s, and 4s (Oh, yeah that was GT :roll: ), got to the point of being silly. (I, myself, love the Trunks/Android/Cell Saga)

BUT IT'S DRAGONBALL PEOPLE! :P It was written/drawn by Akirya Toriyama who's best known for gag comics like Dr. Slump. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT? You want heavy groundbreaking drama, go rent Akira.
THIS IS DRAGONBALL. It's supposed to be humorous and silly sometimes. Look at the names of the characters for pity sake (I mean the REAL names of the characters and not the English dub, and their real translations)

Chi Chi = breasts (a baby name for breasts or breast milk)
Kurinin = chestnut
Bejita = play on Vegetable
Kakarotto = carrot

If you can't appreciate that, you are watching the wrong anime. Take your grouchiness somewhere else and leave us people who can appreciate it, to do so without your whining.

Especially, blaming Toriyama who had nothing to do with the anime, asside from letting Toei talk him into continuing the manga. It would be like blaming Tolkein for Peter Jackson so botching up "The Two Towers." All Tolkein did was sell the rights to his book. That's all Toriyama did, was sell the rights. It's a financial decision. How do you think most books get made into movies?

Tochigi Zukki wrote:I doubt that's the reason it's called Dragon Ball Z.

Also, the only time this show was good, was when it was DragonBall. Dragonball was cute and funny. All of them were short and round. But then, Akira Toriyama, the man with probably the worst art style ever, decided he wanted to keep it going. So he made DBZ. He was much to lazy to create new characters, so he used the same ones from his previous show. Causing the whole story to MAKE NO SENSE. There weren't aliens in Dragon Ball. It wa a cute little fantasy, filled with chubby boys with tails and dinosaurs. Then he makes it a Sci-Fi and it turns retarded.

DBZ is a bunch of grunting because they can't put in the excessive swearing. There is a green child molestor and Vegeta. Vegeta...I can't even tell you how much he makes me want to kill the creator.

Funimation doesn't have such bad voices though. Justin Cook, the line director for Yu Yu Hakusho and DBZ, also voices of Dende and Yusuke, is the coolest. Sean Teag, who I don't even remember him being in DBZ, works with Funimation, and he rocks. I also like Christopher Sabat, no matter how horribly retarded his voices for his characters sound.

What I'm saying is, I'm not blaming the dubbers for the horribleness of DBZ. This time, it's the creators fault. I shun Akira Toriyama. Shun him.


Tochigi Zukki wrote:I doubt that's the reason it's called Dragon Ball Z.

Also, the only time this show was good, was when it was DragonBall. Dragonball was cute and funny. All of them were short and round. But then, Akira Toriyama, the man with probably the worst art style ever, decided he wanted to keep it going. So he made DBZ. He was much to lazy to create new characters, so he used the same ones from his previous show. Causing the whole story to MAKE NO SENSE. There weren't aliens in Dragon Ball. It wa a cute little fantasy, filled with chubby boys with tails and dinosaurs. Then he makes it a Sci-Fi and it turns retarded.

DBZ is a bunch of grunting because they can't put in the excessive swearing. There is a green child molestor and Vegeta. Vegeta...I can't even tell you how much he makes me want to kill the creator.

Funimation doesn't have such bad voices though. Justin Cook, the line director for Yu Yu Hakusho and DBZ, also voices of Dende and Yusuke, is the coolest. Sean Teag, who I don't even remember him being in DBZ, works with Funimation, and he rocks. I also like Christopher Sabat, no matter how horribly retarded his voices for his characters sound.

What I'm saying is, I'm not blaming the dubbers for the horribleness of DBZ. This time, it's the creators fault. I shun Akira Toriyama. Shun him.
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Postby valeyard » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:16 pm

Kuso is basically "insert your really bad word here."

Kuso is in fact so bad, that when voluntering some of my Japanese anime for my daughter's Japanese class (the teacher was looking for some parents to donate to the class), all of my anime was ruled out because of "kuso." Even my treasured kaiju (Godzilla movies) have "kusos" in it.

Btw, kuso can also be the F word. The Japanese Akira (not the English dub) has Kuso translated as either the Sh word or the F word.

It's also interesting to note that asside from the Kusos a good deal of the "cuss words" in the Japanese Dragonball Z are in English. They aren't easy to catch sometimes, because the Japanese voice actors mangle the pronuciations so badly sometimes. English is definitely not their second, third or fourth language. :wink:

I had to listen to it three times before I could clearly make out Piccoro calling Bejita an a-hole ("Bejita, you a-hole!) when he watches the fight between Bejita and Furiza.

When Bejita throws a final flash at Cell (Cura), Cell yells, "Holy ----" when he sees it coming.



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older_gohan wrote:but what about the other ones that make up the DBZ we so love and adore like f*** and s*** and b****. Anyways I still like then adding in death again.


The japanese vocabulary in dbz isn't complex enough to translate to those words :P

Although "kuso" still equals feces, poop, or in other words, "shit", it can still be interpreted as "damn" in that expression.
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Postby mimori5 » Wed Mar 01, 2006 8:56 pm

Bettsy369 wrote:hmm... doesnt seem to be anyone posting....

i still like dragonball z... i mean sure... its been done to the death when it comes to AMV's.... but its still fun to watch...

anyone agree... disagree... i dont know the etiquette for posting on a discussion board but ive done it now

yeah dbz is still fun 2 watch. i like watching dbz
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Postby Psygnius » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:04 pm

valeyard wrote:I had to listen to it three times before I could clearly make out Piccoro calling Bejita an a-hole ("Bejita, you a-hole!) when he watches the fight between Bejita and Furiza.

When Bejita throws a final flash at Cell (Cura), Cell yells, "Holy ----" when he sees it coming.


you mean they say.... "asu horu" or "hori shiito", right? j/k
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Postby valeyard » Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:23 pm

No. But, shall we say, English is not their first language.

Plus, I don't understand, but a smattering of Japanese (the nanda heys and the nanda hos), so you are not expecting, them to say ANYTHING you understand. It's like you are watching, the same disc you've watched before and say "wait, did he just call him an a**hole? Yeah! He did! LOL!"

It's like that.

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valeyard wrote:I had to listen to it three times before I could clearly make out Piccoro calling Bejita an a-hole ("Bejita, you a-hole!) when he watches the fight between Bejita and Furiza.

When Bejita throws a final flash at Cell (Cura), Cell yells, "Holy ----" when he sees it coming.


you mean they say.... "asu horu" or "hori shiito", right? j/k
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Postby Excalibur60811 » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:58 pm

did anyone hear the announcement that the DBZ movies are going to be aired in theatres?!

http://www.funimationfilms.com/
check it out
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Postby valeyard » Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:44 pm

Excalibur60811 wrote:did anyone hear the announcement that the DBZ movies are going to be aired in theatres?!

http://www.funimationfilms.com/
check it out


Yeah but it will be *their* Dragonball Z with their just awful dubbing. :cry: I can't see paying good money to go to a theater to see that, when I can hardly stand to watch it on Cartoon Network.

(Just my pet peeve. But I think Funimation is the main cause for why my favorite anime gets such a bad rap.)

Asside from that, I am *not* a big fan of the DBZ movies, asside from maybe Bardock (which technically wasn't a movie, it was a TV special in Japan). Akira Toriyama and the Dragonball manga had nothing to do with them, and they are nothing but filler. About as bad as the Afterlife tournament, or the Garlic jr. Saga.

I prefer to watch in the original Japanese.
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Postby Psygnius » Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:52 pm

valeyard wrote: It's supposed to be humorous and silly sometimes. Look at the names of the characters for pity sake (I mean the REAL names of the characters and not the English dub, and their real translations)

Chi Chi = breasts (a baby name for breasts or breast milk)
Kurinin = chestnut
Bejita = play on Vegetable
Kakarotto = carrot

If you can't appreciate that, you are watching the wrong anime. Take your grouchiness somewhere else and leave us people who can appreciate it, to do so without your whining.


Bejita is the literal pronouciation of how a Japanese person would pronouce "Vegeta" in English. Since the Japanese does not have a "V" sound, they substitute a "B" for a "V".

Karotto is the literal pronouciation of how a Japanese person would pronounce "Carrot" in English.

Just like how Piccolo is pronouced "Piccoro" in Japanese. The Japanese do not have an "L" sound, so all English words that require an "L" are pronouced with an "R" sound.

So "Bejita" does not MEAN Vegetable in Japanese, nor does "Kakarotto" mean Carrot.
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Postby valeyard » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:47 pm

Psygnius wrote:
valeyard wrote: It's supposed to be humorous and silly sometimes. Look at the names of the characters for pity sake (I mean the REAL names of the characters and not the English dub, and their real translations)

Chi Chi = breasts (a baby name for breasts or breast milk)
Kurinin = chestnut
Bejita = play on Vegetable
Kakarotto = carrot

If you can't appreciate that, you are watching the wrong anime. Take your grouchiness somewhere else and leave us people who can appreciate it, to do so without your whining.


Bejita is the literal pronouciation of how a Japanese person would pronouce "Vegeta" in English. Since the Japanese does not have a "V" sound, they substitute a "B" for a "V".

Karotto is the literal pronouciation of how a Japanese person would pronounce "Carrot" in English.

Just like how Piccolo is pronouced "Piccoro" in Japanese. The Japanese do not have an "L" sound, so all English words that require an "L" are pronouced with an "R" sound.

So "Bejita" does not MEAN Vegetable in Japanese, nor does "Kakarotto" mean Carrot.


No, you misunderstand me. Bejita IS a play on Vegetable, but the English word for Vegetable. That was deliberate by Akira Toriyama, since he said Vegeta was his idea of an American. Its no mistake that Vegeta gives all his attack names in English (badly pronouced English) in the Japanese DBZ.

BTW, Saiya-jin is the play on Vegetable in Japanese. Saiya-jin are basically the Vegetable people. Which is why all their names are vegetables. Bejita, Kakarotto, Nappa, Raditzu (Radish), etc.

Just as the Tsufuru-gin were the "fruit people."

That's why in GT, when Gohan asks Palace-chan, what the strange man asked her, she replies, "He asked for the Saiya-jin, and I suggested he find a grocer."
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Postby Mistress Devi » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:01 am

I love the DBZ series. My favorite characters are Vegeta and Goku. And, I gotta say, Vegeta is so hot!!
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Postby Chris Najem » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:19 pm

DRAGONBALL Z has a Z to signifie that it was the last of the series, which it was Akira Toriyama Ended the series with DragonBall Z Z is for the last letter of the alphabet meaning DragonBall Finale series, Gohan was supposed to be the main character of the series and let Gokou fade away while he passed, but there was a sudden change of plans when Akira learned everyone prefered Gokou over the Crybaby Gohan, viewers were acostomed to Gokou,
Gohan being Introduced as a weak fragile kid with a temper.... din't intrique them that much. DragonBall Z was supposed to end with the Freeza Saga which it did not because Akira's wife Told him about how much people he influenced and how many people love the series, so then it spread to The Trunks Saga, where our Hero Son Gokou falls victim to a viral heart disease and then passed away following him were the rest of the Z squad exept ofcourse Son Gohan, Who heard about the deaths of his friends, And unleashed his hidden potential, he went Super Saiya-JIN One, and that was his max, but in the alternate past where Trunks pops out of no where and gives Gokou the antidote, Gohan trains with Gokou in the time chamber shortly after, then we see Gohan turning Super Saiyan One becaUSE OF THE TRAINING HE RECEIVED FROM HIS FATHER, not the anger that drove Mirai Gohan ( Bad Future Gohan) to turn super, so by achieving that level of power without anger, his hidden potential was yet to be uncovered, After that Trunks goes Ancendant but ids too slow to take out Cell, Cell tricked Trunks and pushed him to his limits, which were really bad, he should have stoped powering up at acendant lvl2 he would have creamed cell... oh well ... so 10 days later the cell games begin Gohan gets Pissed then Bam SUPA SAIYA-JIN TWO, everyone was amazed, so then he starts toying with cell until cell realized he could not defeat him, so then cell being a fag that he is decided to blow himself up taking everyone with him, but Gokou being the good he is, sacrifices himself again, to save his friends and family, leaving Chichi a widow and Gohan Fatherless, but shit happens and cell is back, There is like two plot holes in this, When Vegeta used his big bang against cell, cell told him he can regenerate if his head is left intact, it was, but when Gokou blew the fuck out of cell with a warp Kamehameha wave wtf happend? He took the top half of cell blew it to nothing, and for some reason cell regenerates and actually points at his head using his finger saying: You forgot that if my head stays intact , I thought Gokou had won the battle which he did in my view but yet he had to die, so we move on to the buu saga, bibidi babidi boo, lol, so Sato Rice is a weakling now, but decides to take it up a notch when Videl get's hurt, he turned ssj2 but at friken weak rate.... whe he was ssj2 cell saga his pl was 38000000000, now it was 20000000000, lol I thought he was like stronger but i checked the pl so he was a weakling, but yet the kaioshins were suprised by his pl... lol, he had a hard time with dabura... but in the end buu emerged, Gohan had made a huge Kamehameha That would have shred dabura but it was too slow yet he was aiming for the buu ball containment thingy, so buu the hubba buuba gumball lookin creature came to life... oh my ... during that time there was ssj2 Gokou vs Majin Vegeta... who was still pathetic in my book, anyways Vegeta sacrifices himself to be like Gokou, Haha Gokou Wannabe lol, so with his effort he dies taking along nothing with him, just his pure stupidity arogance foolishness, and his pride, Gokou who thought Gohan was dead told everyone that Gohan and Vegetable were dead, so then the tears came, Goten And Trunks Became Pricks so Gokou told them he was knocked out and Piccolo backed him and was about to yell Vegeta the fool knocked him out, but Gokou told him it was ok, so then Gokou faced lard faced buu and would have creamed him, but he chose to let him go... **Dumbass** so then we getb the fusion Gotenks yay lol, so it's yadadadadadada, then they turn ssj3 and kick buu or use buu as a voley ball, yet buu knew he was going to face a much more stronger opponent, he [played along] lol so then it was tie or some Major Kick Ass by Mystic Gohan... lol, toying with him again... buu thought of a plan and gotenks was absorbed by buu, so then Gohan had no chance until the fusion wore off then he was absorbed, so Then The strongest Character In the series was Born by potara, Vegitto the ultimate z fighter, but then the fusion fails and Gokou like always has to finish the baddie off with a spirit bomb, and so he does, And Z ended right then and there, GT Is non canon made by toei no by the original creator.
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Postby older_gohan » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:51 pm

Wow, you need to learn sentance structure badly.

Just some information you should know.

First, Cell had said if his core was destroyed, he could not regenerate.

Second, power levels after the frieza saga are not offical. There is no offical documentation on the levels of the different characters because of the lack of scanners which frieza's men used.

Third, Vegeta's sacrifice was not to upstage Goku. His initial reasons for doing this was to put away his selfishness and for once protect the people he loved.

Fourth, the fusion of Goku and Vegeta did not fail. It was very succesful. But because of the magic used to create Buu, the magic in the Potara was broken.

Fifth, Gohan only had a hard time with Dabura because his training was severely lacking. He had the power easily to beat him but didn't remember the training he had gained earlier in his life.

Just clearing somethings up for you.
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Postby valeyard » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:22 am

Chris Najem wrote:DRAGONBALL Z has a Z to signifie that it was the last of the series, which it was Akira Toriyama Ended the series with DragonBall Z Z is for the last letter of the alphabet meaning DragonBall Finale series, Gohan was supposed to be the main character of the series and let Gokou fade away while he passed, but there was a sudden change of plans when Akira learned everyone prefered Gokou over the Crybaby Gohan, viewers were acostomed to Gokou,
Gohan being Introduced as a weak fragile kid with a temper.... din't intrique them that much. DragonBall Z was supposed to end with the Freeza Saga which it did not because Akira's wife Told him about how much people he influenced and how many people love the series, so then it spread to The Trunks Saga, where our Hero Son Gokou falls victim to a viral heart disease and then passed away following him were the rest of the Z squad exept ofcourse Son Gohan, Who heard about the deaths of his friends, And unleashed his hidden potential, he went Super Saiya-JIN One, and that was his max, but in the alternate past where Trunks pops out of no where and gives Gokou the antidote, Gohan trains with Gokou in the time chamber shortly after, then we see Gohan turning Super Saiyan One becaUSE OF THE TRAINING HE RECEIVED FROM HIS FATHER, not the anger that drove Mirai Gohan ( Bad Future Gohan) to turn super, so by achieving that level of power without anger, his hidden potential was yet to be uncovered, After that Trunks goes Ancendant but ids too slow to take out Cell, Cell tricked Trunks and pushed him to his limits, which were really bad, he should have stoped powering up at acendant lvl2 he would have creamed cell... oh well ... so 10 days later the cell games begin Gohan gets Pissed then Bam SUPA SAIYA-JIN TWO, everyone was amazed, so then he starts toying with cell until cell realized he could not defeat him, so then cell being a fag that he is decided to blow himself up taking everyone with him, but Gokou being the good he is, sacrifices himself again, to save his friends and family, leaving Chichi a widow and Gohan Fatherless, but shit happens and cell is back, There is like two plot holes in this, When Vegeta used his big bang against cell, cell told him he can regenerate if his head is left intact, it was, but when Gokou blew the fuck out of cell with a warp Kamehameha wave wtf happend? He took the top half of cell blew it to nothing, and for some reason cell regenerates and actually points at his head using his finger saying: You forgot that if my head stays intact , I thought Gokou had won the battle which he did in my view but yet he had to die, so we move on to the buu saga, bibidi babidi boo, lol, so Sato Rice is a weakling now, but decides to take it up a notch when Videl get's hurt, he turned ssj2 but at friken weak rate.... whe he was ssj2 cell saga his pl was 38000000000, now it was 20000000000, lol I thought he was like stronger but i checked the pl so he was a weakling, but yet the kaioshins were suprised by his pl... lol, he had a hard time with dabura... but in the end buu emerged, Gohan had made a huge Kamehameha That would have shred dabura but it was too slow yet he was aiming for the buu ball containment thingy, so buu the hubba buuba gumball lookin creature came to life... oh my ... during that time there was ssj2 Gokou vs Majin Vegeta... who was still pathetic in my book, anyways Vegeta sacrifices himself to be like Gokou, Haha Gokou Wannabe lol, so with his effort he dies taking along nothing with him, just his pure stupidity arogance foolishness, and his pride, Gokou who thought Gohan was dead told everyone that Gohan and Vegetable were dead, so then the tears came, Goten And Trunks Became Pricks so Gokou told them he was knocked out and Piccolo backed him and was about to yell Vegeta the fool knocked him out, but Gokou told him it was ok, so then Gokou faced lard faced buu and would have creamed him, but he chose to let him go... **Dumbass** so then we getb the fusion Gotenks yay lol, so it's yadadadadadada, then they turn ssj3 and kick buu or use buu as a voley ball, yet buu knew he was going to face a much more stronger opponent, he [played along] lol so then it was tie or some Major Kick Ass by Mystic Gohan... lol, toying with him again... buu thought of a plan and gotenks was absorbed by buu, so then Gohan had no chance until the fusion wore off then he was absorbed, so Then The strongest Character In the series was Born by potara, Vegitto the ultimate z fighter, but then the fusion fails and Gokou like always has to finish the baddie off with a spirit bomb, and so he does, And Z ended right then and there, GT Is non canon made by toei no by the original creator.



Yeah i gotta agree with the poster before me. You need to learn sentence structure.

This was so run on, I gave up trying to parse sense from it. Try breaking your posts up into paragraphs.

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