Are they the last humans left? The next Adam and Eve? Is it the reality that Shinji picked? Or did they just land on an area separated from other people?
Too many questions...
What do you guys think?
The Afrochiapet wrote:Are they the last humans left? The next Adam and Eve? Is it the reality that Shinji picked?
What do you guys think?
Kita1304 wrote: this is my topic and you shouldn't be cridisizing!
Bardiel13 wrote:But what I was wondering was... WTF are they gonna do with the dead Mass Pro. EVAs??


The Afrochiapet wrote:Apparently Asuka is a mixture of Rei, Misato, and herself. If you notice, her banadages represent the ones the others had, and her eyes are brown. Though, that makes it more confusing for me...![]()
cuz now i have no idea who the hell she is.
Heres a question from myself...after Shinji chokes Asuka on the shore...did he go back to spanking da monkey?
(I'm assuming this is him realizing that he has to feel pain...though it still seems a lil...well...)
The Afrochiapet wrote:Asuka said "no" to Shinji. Since Shinji wants to be everything that was mentioned, not being ignored, not being abandoned, and not being killed...He pretty much busts a vein and goes crazy.
Ok here some new stuff i picked up.
Apparently Asuka is a mixture of Rei, Misato, and herself. If you notice, her banadages represent the ones the others had, and her eyes are brown. Though, that makes it more confusing for me...![]()
cuz now i have no idea who the hell she is.
Heres a question from myself...after Shinji chokes Asuka on the shore...did he go back to spanking da monkey?
(I'm assuming this is him realizing that he has to feel pain...though it still seems a lil...well...)
bobbarker31 wrote:No, that is still Asuka... no Rei or Misato in her. She looked the way she did because of red hue that everything seemed to have on that beach. Remember what Rei said to Shinji before they parted. Everyone can come back if they have it in them to see themselves as a separate person. That does not mean that they would come back as a jumble of a couple of people. If you are all part of the Egg of Lillith with all those souls mixed together, you can leave if you want to. If you do not want to, you can stay in the pool with everyone else. Shinji and Asuka were the first two that envisioned themselves separately. (Don't ask me where the bandages came from).
All of this is in Shinji's head.
bobbarker31 wrote:Shinji's mind was shredded from the experiance and there are a number of theories as to why he was choking Asuka. What did stop him was her reaching up and touching his face. That is what changed everything and caused him to stop his grip.
Out of all the "people" in his world, Rei, Misato, and Asuka represents himself the most, as his own Freudian id, ego, and superego:
- id: the one of the three divisions of the psyche in psychoanalytic theory that is completely unconscious and is the source of psychic energy derived from instinctual needs and drives (Asuka).
- Ego: one of the three divisions of the psyche in psychoanalytic theory that serves as the organized conscious mediator between the person and reality especially by functioning both in the perception of and adaptation to reality (Rei and/or Kaurou).
- Superego: the one of the three divisions of the psyche in psychoanalytic theory that is only partly conscious, represents internalization of parental conscience and the rules of society, and functions to reward and punish through a system of moral attitudes, conscience, and a sense of guilt (Misato).
(These definitions are from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.)
In the TV series, episode 20 (Splitting Beast) introduces us to his voice versus the divisions of his psyche. The train scene was a return to that concept -- that all three girls represent the three parts of his own psyche.
In the course of the last episode of End of Eva, his superego becomes unneccesary (Misato being shot in the back and killed) and his ego
When he choked Asuka, it was Shinji finally fighting his id -- his unconscious instincts. In the end, he doesn't want to be in this "mind-world" any more -- he doubts his own existence and wants everyone to die. Finally, he returns to reality -- modern-day Japan. Rei begins to discourse with him about the nature of reality and dreaming -- which is exactly what the ego is about ("the perception of and adaptation to reality").
In the end, what remains in the world is himself -- and all three parts of his psyche finally unified into one. He chokes her because she now represents himself -- and he still hates himself. Once Asuka/Rei/Misato (his psyche) reaches out to him, he breaks down because he finally realizes that he still can't overcome his psyche -- to which his psyche is disgusted.


...and his ego (Rei) begins to grow beyond the borders of Shinji's "reality", perhaps to demonstrate that his reality is not reality at all.
(Don't quote me on this one, though...)


The sequance is one of the most hotly debated in Eva circles all over the world. Until now there was no definitive answer to the mystery. However, Bochan Bird has recently stumbled onto the absolute answer, held within the Eva Carddass Masters Trading Card Game.
Here is the original answer I wrote about a year ago for this FAQ:
'I need you.' affirms Shinji's choice to return to reality, and in doing so has separated himself from Asuka once more. His first impulse is to strangle her, to finish what he started during Complementation. But then he feels her caress (which is very similar to the one he received from his mother only moments before) and realizes what he's doing. He releases his grip and collapses as an emotionally broken little boy - which disgusts Asuka.
The following presents the definitive answer to this question, as translated by Bochan Bird -
Part II (movies) Drama card D-88
Title: "Kimochi warui"
Small print:
"Shinji renounced the world where all hearts had melted into one and accepted each other unconditionally. His desire... to live with 'others' -- other hearts that would sometimes reject him, even deny him. That is why the first thing he did after coming to his senses was to place his hands around Asuka's neck. To feel the existence of an 'other'. To confirm (make sure of) rejection and denial."
---- So, I was half right. The scene is meant to be an affirmation of Shinji's decision to return to reality. As I wrote on the Evangelion ML, the scene is there to prove "pain once again exists". However, I didn't give Shinji enough credit for his intention when he strangled her. I thought it was a carry over from the previous strangulation scene, when it was actually meant as a test to see if he was indeed back in the real world.
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