last evangelion episode [episode 26]

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Postby Apeotheosis » Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:08 pm

Alas...I have not :(

I will very soon, I just have to run over to my friends house and borrow it. But I can definitly say that I WILL own this entire series and the two movies when they're all released in the director's cut. I love it way too much not to.

Let's see...where to start? *thinks* Let's talk about the truths of the soul that seem to be covered so well. How the show knows where truth lies in all people, and how depressing or malevolent those truths can be. Like Shinji's running away from it all. Even though his father's a complete cold-hearted person to him and his mother has died. The story doesn't just use that as his excuse like in other generic storylines. It shows that it's not just that....it's that HE has choosen to see it that way. And that's how he hides it from the facts. Or Asuka and how she wants everyone to know she exists or "not a doll" and hides it with her anger. Of course there are other things but I don't have time to list them, I'm going to dinner right now.

Alright, talk to you guys later.
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Postby DaNuKa_SAN » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:26 pm

lol hows this for a waste of time? i spent atlest 3 yrs piecing to gether every little piece here and there and comparing to the bible with a frien of mine which is a college historian assistant doing his masters^^

best ive found today...(there was more back then...like that all three angels have an element which were described in the gospels belonging to some demons...the horn on Eva01, 00s 1 eye, and 02s 4 eyes)

http://www.bfx-net.com/evafaqs/evafaqsmain.html
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Postby DaNuKa_SAN » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:31 pm

for a more psychological indept view try this one...if u dare

http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/writings/eva-full.shtml
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Postby DaNuKa_SAN » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:37 pm

and this very freaky comment came from here (http://www.crossroad.to/text/responses/Evangelion.htm) and should warn us all of the dangers of anime and dwelling a bit TOO long on Eva (yea rite^^):

From a concerned mother: Thank you for your information on this series. I would like to share with you our story. My 16 year old son is a wonderful young man who is a Christian. He is somewhat of an introvert, however, and loves to spend time on the computer. We are fairly strict with what movies and games our boys play, but have given them greater freedoms to chose their entertainment as they grow older, asking them to always evaluate what they do by thinking what Jesus would do. We hold the Word of God as our Supreme authority for life and try to train up our children with a strong Biblical worldview.
This being said, we were so taken aback with a recent episode in our home. My 16 year old said he wanted the DVD collection of Neon Genesis Evangelion to watch, and we purchased it without much evaluation. We thought it was "Just Cartoons". My son also thought it was harmless fun. When he got the set, he proceeded to watch it for hours.
The next morning, he wouldn't speak to me at all and had a depressed look on his face. I thought he was having a bad day and let it slide. He went off to school-a Christian high school- and when I picked him up that afternoon, he was still not speaking. We are very close and I tried repeatedly to get him to tell me what was wrong but he wouldn't talk-not a word.!! So at home, he went to his room and despite me going in to talk to him repeatedly, he remained sad and mute. Finally, I came into his room to find him with a tie around his neck, standing in the center of his room, turning red. I fought him to get the tie off and then clung to him praying the name of Jesus.
Eventually he talked, saying that he didn't know what was the "real" reality and he didn't belong in this world. I talked with him about God's plan and purpose for his life and eventually he became more talkative. We watched him carefully and sought help from a Christian counselor. Although he may have some emotional issues to work out, I KNOW that satan use this evangelion series to mess with his mind and to confuse him in his faith.
To those who think it is good -- beware! It is darkness. It blinds even clear thinking, Christian kids. We have warned our son to have nothing to do with this series, but he still defends it. I am praying that he will seek truth only in God's Word and not to fill his mind with darkness.
Please continue to warn Christians about this stuff. Most of my friends had never heard of it either.
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Postby DaNuKa_SAN » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:39 pm

oh and u might not want to go check out the rest of the site...ughhh...
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Postby DaNuKa_SAN » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:46 pm

sorry im postin again but man! wat the hell? this site is WAY too...uhhh...ok...

I wonder how they took the pokemon bonanza these people...talk about taking thigs litteraly....
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:49 pm

spike spiegel121 wrote:Alas...I have not :(

I will very soon, I just have to run over to my friends house and borrow it. But I can definitly say that I WILL own this entire series and the two movies when they're all released in the director's cut. I love it way too much not to.

Let's see...where to start? *thinks* Let's talk about the truths of the soul that seem to be covered so well. How the show knows where truth lies in all people, and how depressing or malevolent those truths can be. Like Shinji's running away from it all. Even though his father's a complete cold-hearted person to him and his mother has died. The story doesn't just use that as his excuse like in other generic storylines. It shows that it's not just that....it's that HE has choosen to see it that way. And that's how he hides it from the facts. Or Asuka and how she wants everyone to know she exists or "not a doll" and hides it with her anger. Of course there are other things but I don't have time to list them, I'm going to dinner right now.

Alright, talk to you guys later.
*phade*
~Mike


Don't feel bad about not having seen EoE or owning the series. I bought EoE at a convention a long time ago, but Evangelion is my favorite series and it's been that way for many years. And yet, I don't own it! I've been mooching off of my brother's awesome subbed VHS tapes for a long time. I originally set out to buy Evangelion last year, I got the money ready and everything, but they kept releasing things! I wasn't going to get it without the directors cut, but I wanted to get a box because they're cheaper. So now this Platinum Edition is coming out, and as annoying as it is that they'll rerelease every single volume taking their annoyingly sweet time rather than just releasing it as a box to begin with, I'll wait for the real box to come out with all the volumes and then I can finally get the series. But anyway, don't feel bad about not having it yet.

As for the stuf you said... I agree. I think it's amazing how life really is in your head. I may not be able to insantly have a hot childhood friend walking me to school where my hot teacher and hot blue haired classmate wait, all-of-a-sudden, but it really is about perspective and how you see things.

I guess that's all I have to say now... I'll say more stuff later ;)
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Postby Gepetto » Sun Jul 25, 2004 2:30 pm

Big spouilers here, but since youre already in this topic anyways...

i didn't even read the replies, just your question. Here goes: When Yoshiyuki ?Sadamoto discovedred that the ending he had planned for Evangelion wasn't going to be aired because of censoring problems, he created episodes 25 and 26 just to say the series ended. The real ending is the movie entitled The End ogf Evangelion. Unit-01's core is Ikari Yui's soul, the Second Angel is crucified in Central Dogma (which is the reason Kaworu, aka Tablis, the last Angel gave up, it wasn't Adam) Adam, during the Second mpact, was reduced to embryonic state (remember the embryo that Kaji takes to Gendo?). The manga explains everything a hell of a lot better than the Anime. Too bad it hasn't finished yet. Unit-01 goes berzerk as a result of Yui's natural instinct to protect her son. More explanations: why does Unit-00 hate Gendo? Because the core soul is Akagi Ritsuko's mom (Akagi Naoko) who was murdured by Gendo when he found out that she caused the failure in the activation test that resulted in Yui's death.
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:45 pm

Two things -

Yoshiyuki Sadamoto isn't the mastermind of Evangelion. Hideaki Anno is, he directed it and he called the shots, especailly with the ending (and TV ending in particular). Sadamoto did the key art for Evangelion, which is spectacular, but he wasn't in the director's chair. If Sadamoto had been, then the manga which Sadamoto does would be pretty much the same as the show, since they'd both be his story. However, the manga is different from the show because it is Sadamoto's, he decided to do his own thing branching off from the story that Anno headed.

Second, the hypothesis that Evangelion 00's soul is Naoko Akagi has been debunked by nearly all serious Evangelion discussion circles. It used to be well held, but now it's scoffed at, and basically considered one of the big newbie mistakes along with the thought that the First Impact was the killing of the dinosaurs, and the thought that Misato shot Kaji. Currently the hypothesis that is accepted the most is that Evangelion 00's soul is that of Ayanami Rei, or really 'Rei 1' or 'child Rei' even though it's techincally all the same soul. This is explained using Quantum Mechanics, conveniently enough, based on evidence in the series to support that.
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:48 pm

Oh, woops, sorry for the double post.

Naoko Akagi wasn't murdered by Gendou or anybody, she committed suicide.

The manga isn't canon, so I wouldn't go beleiving everything it says. It's just Sadamoto's interpretation, the truer material is the anime, because Evangelion is dominantly Anno's story.
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Postby Gepetto » Sun Jul 25, 2004 4:52 pm

who the hell would be as stupid as to think Misato shot Kaji? Well, anyways, since I started with the manga and later on saw the anime i assumed it was all sadamoto's doing. sorry about that. but it can't be Rei 1's soul in EVA-00 because Rei has only one soul, which is "transplanted" from body to body. That is backed, among other things, by Rei-3's familiarity with tears, even though this version had never cried before.
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:36 pm

Well.... a whole lotta people have thought that Misato shot Kaji. A whole lotta people...

(The End of Evangelion spoilers ahead)

Anyway, the thing about Rei's soul is that.... it's pretty versatile. She does happen to be in a good number of differnet places at once in EoE. There's a pretty interesting theory involving Quantum Mechanics, like I said. I think the jist of it goes like this - Gendou's office has a picture of the Tree of Sephiroth above, and a symbol that is said to be a drawing of a subatomic particle (Gendou's floor and drawings of subatomic particles are very similar looking). In EoE when the Mass-Production Series form the Tree of Sephiroth ahead, that's when Rei is below. It's said that Rei's soul acts like a subatmoic particle, on a subatmoic level the same particle can exist in two places at one.

If you really wanna get into it, I suggest going to www.AnimeNation.com and going to the 'Series Specifc' section and going int othe Evangelion forum. There are more than a few people there who can give you the evidence you seek.
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Postby Apeotheosis » Sun Jul 25, 2004 5:50 pm

At least you backed it up a little bit more, cause if you just left it at the fact that Rei's soul was able to do so because of EoE. I would laugh. The only reason why any of what she did was possible was because she joined with Lillith. Not to mention she had the power of about.....the whole human race of souls in her. IF you can really call IT a HER. But I guess it's just easier. Now about subatomic particles and Gendo's tree, I don't know. So I can't really run off that :(
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:34 pm

Yes, Rei is God when she joins with Adam and her former body (Lilith). And I'd say it's fair to call her a she since Rei's form is clearly her preffered presentation.
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Postby Apeotheosis » Sun Jul 25, 2004 6:35 pm

No matter what she conveys herself as, she'll never be a "She". But yes, I also refer to her as a girl. So it works for me :)
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