last evangelion episode [episode 26]

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Postby Excalibur00 » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:20 am

I think the manga is better. personally i sort of perfered Toji to be dead.
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Postby Navi en Grey » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:54 am

the only reason people don't like the ending of eva is because they haven't either seen the movies or just the type not into " weird " ideas ...
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Postby LindenRathan » Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:01 am

well im wierd and like wierd things but didnt like the ending at firsts cause i wasent realy ready to pay that clos attention
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Postby Daio Kaji » Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:18 pm

well then u weren't enough into weirdness as you should have been.... shame on you :evil:
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Postby EXODO » Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:49 pm

Evangelions last episode:
To understand the series and the last episode you have to think it as 2 stories (like I said on another forum). There are 2 stories hidden on the series one (the most obious) is the story about the Evas and the end of the world. Two is the mental adn phycological transition made by Shingi during all the story. At the begining he was a very shy and non-violent kind of guy and at the end he is more aggresive and more confident about himself. teh whole story revolves around the mental changes our characters pass thou (specialy Shingi) and how they have been evolving. At the end of the last episode all the characters were clapping to Shingi and the first thing you said was: "What the F__k?". Well that is normal! They are applouding because Shingi has finally changed to be a better and more confident person. It is like a self-discovery he went thou and at the he finally made it. The Evas and the end of the world is a side story to keep you away from the real story. It is just what is happening in the world while he self-discovers himself.

Seeing the End of Evangelion will help you understand the story about the evas and what they were. It was done to give that story and ending. But it really helps. :)

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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:16 pm

Alright, this is an older topic, but here is my reprise, k?

Yoshiyuki Sadamoto's Evangelion manga is majorly insane! I mean... wow. Shinji kills Gendou with a knife and then naked Yui (who loosk more like Haruko from Furi Kuri than anyone) kind of has a mental duel with Rei and that's just in the first part of one volume... it's really odd stuff... I guess Sadmoto thought it'd be sacrilege to make something Evangelion related that didn't confuse and freak-out people, even people that had already seen the series.

As for Evangelion Episoder 26, it's probably my favorite. I like that kind of ending, it's my favorite kind. Though I can't lie and say that I was satisfied with it the first time I saw it, I was a good bit younger then, by many years (which is a heck of a long time to me personally)
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Postby Apeotheosis » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:11 am

I don't feel like going back and quoting people everywhere, but I just watched this anime and D & R Evangelion. So not even my assumptions can be entirely complete. First off, I'm not trying to sound all "High and mighty" but it might come off that way. I've been analyzing anime like this forever....two words. Boogiepop Phantom. Yeah - if you can get that....Eva is like editing with WMM. :roll:

For a tip I reccomend watching other animes along with Eva...not to confuse you, but rather to get you into the "mind-set" of thinking outside of the box. Wait...no, you can't think outside of the box on this one, trying thinking outside of the quantum space that the box and the space outside of the box is concealed in. That's what you really need to understand Eva. A matter of fact, you don't really need that much to UNDERSTAND Eva, but to really FEEL Eva. Most people in this discussion should understand what I'm talking about.

One thing I saw posted earlier in the discussion was some actual facts per say and to me that just ruins everything. Being TOLD what happened isn't what you should be looking for. To each their own I guess. But the struggle to figure something out is where all the fun is, and when you find that something out you feel such completion. It could be compared to AMV making. Just try to decipher it any way you can. And be prepared for it...very prepared to listen carefully to the subtle things. And the whole pausing thing that someone mentioned. That could be used...but I wouldn't feel right doing it that way. I would reccomend pausing it when the screen turns black and says certain things though. Sometimes it was just too fast. And there are things you might want to know in there. You'll be able to soak things up easier if you take it slow in those scenes.

One more thing about why this anime is so demented. The man who created the storyline for Eva was Maher Al-Samkari. Obviously the man was a little nuts. To write anything even at the beggining of the series of Eva would take a lack of sanity. But towards the end of the series....he went mentally insane. And what makes writing so good? When you experience it firsthand. THIS is why the ending and most of the series towards the end was so crazy. Because the man writing it was also crazy....but once you think about it. We're all a little crazy from time to time aren't we?

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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:30 pm

Who the HELL is Maher Al-Samkari?

Hideaki Anno isn't insane, he's as sane as anybody. Atleast as sane as Syd Barrett... He was depressed, not insane.

If he had went insane, I don't see how Kare Kano could have turned out so darn well. And what about all the other stuff he does? (The live action movies like Cutey Honey and the one that's about to be released in the US)
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Postby DrngdKreationz » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:14 pm

You know Mike, How many times do I have to tell you not to piss off the Eva fanboyz? eh? :P
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Postby Mirumoto_Chris » Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:35 pm

HeartbreakerByZep wrote:
If he had went insane, I don't see how Kare Kano could have turned out so darn well.


Of course he went insane... it is the only explantion for the gawd-awful last episode of Kare Kano. Sketch episodes make me want to commit violent, malicious harm upon my television.
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:34 pm

Mirumoto_Chris wrote:
HeartbreakerByZep wrote:
If he had went insane, I don't see how Kare Kano could have turned out so darn well.


Of course he went insane... it is the only explantion for the gawd-awful last episode of Kare Kano. Sketch episodes make me want to commit violent, malicious harm upon my television.


Regardless of your opinion of KK's last episode, you can't really claim that he's insane just because he did that. (If anything say he's insane based on the first quarter of episode 24, that was kind of odd)

Anyway... if you don't like sketch episodes, just get volume 7 of the manga, it's exactly the same.... only it's not moving.

But, being the Kare Kano junkie that I am, I love episode 26, I just watched it again last night. Though... having Kawashima sensei and others narrate it was pretty wierd... and the first time I watched the episode I had a hard time reading the text...
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Postby Apeotheosis » Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:37 pm

DrngdKreationz wrote:You know Mike, How many times do I have to tell you not to piss off the Eva fanboyz? eh? :P


:lol: Sorry bout that. Got the names confused...long story with no excuses. But from what I read he DID go insane, it might have been brief, there IS temporary insanity. And I'm sorry - I didn't know that you knew him personally.

*has not seen Kare Kano* So I can't put any imput on whether or not this is prompt for an argument.

Nevertheless, why don't we focus more on the actual subject. I'm not trying to get anyone pissed off, though I must admit it's rather fun. Let's go more into what the man should do to understand Eva a little better.
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:36 pm

I'm not pissed, that was just a totally crazy name, where did it come from?

Sanity is a completely subjective term, if you ask me we're all insane in one way or another. But just because you read something doesn't mean it's true. And just because I can't call up Anno on the phone and say "hey, are you sane?" doesn't mean that our knowledge about him is equal.

The way I understand it, Anno was very deeply depressed, and Evangelion was indeed his means of rehabilitation. However, I wouldn't consider depression a form of insanity (well, it is, but no more a form of insanity than the average person has, which would be considered being normal) and so I'm very skeptical that there was clinical insanity involved.

And furthermore, I quite dislike the notion that is commonly expressed about weird things and insanity. Just because someone makes something really far-out and crazy does not mean that they were insane or on drugs or anything of that sort. Sure, things like insanity and drugs can cause some amazingly weird stuff, but there's no threshold of weirdness that insanity can cross that isn't easily crossable for any average far-out artist. So if Anno went insane or not, he didn't *have* to be, and so I'd need a lot of evidence to the contrary to beleive that he was.

As for Kare Kano and all the other stuff he did... it's pretty clear that Anno isn't insane right now, he has a wife and is still working on stuff.

As for understanding Evangelion, that's your own gig, man. If you want info from the experts, just go to www.animenation.com, their Evangelion forum is filled with a lot of the brightest Eva fans. Other than that, watching the series more times is never a bad idea if you want to understand it. It's somewhat like Furi Kuri, only several episodes longer and thus much harder to watch over and over again.
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Postby Apeotheosis » Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:08 am

It was actually from another anime made by Geneon, can't remember the name though.

And when it comes to the weird/insanity factor. I more then agree, trust me. I full-heartily believe in that. I myself have written some really crazy/insane/off the wall poems that you might look at and go "...W - T - F?" And I can assure you that I'm not insane, at least the bunny told me I wasn't. And he's reliable.

What WE hear and what we know are two different things so I don't think either of us can win on this one. He could look perfectly fine right now and be insane....we might never know it. But honestly I don't really care either way. Eva was a sweet-ass anime. And that's what I truly care about all in all. I love the insane twists in the anime, and would like to talk more about them. Of course after I watch "End of Evangelion". I'm not one to start throwing things around till I've at least seen the whole series. But I do have my theories that I won't reveal yet in fear of complete obtuse reactions with factually backed-up arguements. :) In other words I don't want to get flamed when it's not really necessary do I? He he.

I would love to discuss some of the scenes and such with you though. You seem quite knowledgable on Eva. Would you care to conversate on it? Bring up whatever you want, it might even help out the creator of this thread to have massive insight on details from us :wink:
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:26 pm

For the record - I still fully stand by the assumption that Hideaki Anno is not insane. It'd be nearly impossible for him to be insane right now and for people not to know about it. (And furthermore, anyone who can contribute to Kare Kano is not insane by my standards... regardless of what all them doctors say ;) )

Anyway, of course I wouldn't mind discussing Evangelion. I wouldn't really know where to start. What should our conversation regard?

So you haven't seen The End of Evangelion yet?
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