end of Evangelion (episodes 25 and 26) - confused

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Postby gunhoe86 » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:38 am

yes, i agree it does provide insight, it is helpful, i just don't believe it to be necessary.

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Postby Shadowmage » Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:45 pm

gunhoe86 wrote:yes, i agree it does provide insight, it is helpful, i just don't believe it to be necessary.

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....Tell that to the rabid Eva fanbase in Japan back in 1997 who were sending death threats to Anno Hideaki and GAINAX... (as well as graffitiing and vandalizing their office) The movie pretty much effectively calmed them down. (so yes, it was necessary.)

You must admit that EoE delivers more closure to the series. It solidifies things more. gunehoe86, I'm sure even you were subconsiously dissatisfied with the last two tv episodes until you saw EoE.
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Postby AtomicWeezleman » Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:29 pm

Shadowmage wrote:
gunhoe86 wrote:yes, i agree it does provide insight, it is helpful, i just don't believe it to be necessary.

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....Tell that to the rabid Eva fanbase in Japan back in 1997 who were sending death threats to Anno Hideaki and GAINAX... (as well as graffitiing and vandalizing their office) The movie pretty much effectively calmed them down. (so yes, it was necessary.)

You must admit that EoE delivers more closure to the series. It solidifies things more. gunehoe86, I'm sure even you were subconsiously dissatisfied with the last two tv episodes until you saw EoE.



Yes, but anno didnt originally believe it was neccesary, when he finished the series, that was it, he wasnt going back to eva..... he only did it so the fans woul STFU, and stop threatning to tar and feather him.......

The film actually left me with more question than it did answers........

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Postby gunhoe86 » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:35 am

im gonna have to agree with AtomicWeezleman here. i know that anno caught alot of flack, but i believe he created it the way he did so that everyone could reflect upon themselves as individuals, and not get the same thing everyone else was getting. i was disappointed the first time i saw the series, i couldn't sleep that night because i was so upset. i spent the whole next day pondering the whole show and came to a quite satisfactory conclusion. like AtomicWeezleman said, anno only did EoE to quell the throng who threatened him, but they should have STFU and done some reflecting instead of demand answers. if you can't find something, maybe you should intensify your search instead of request that someone else find it and give it to you. in the case of the movie, what was handed to them wasn't even what they should have been looking for. what they should have been searching for was right in their hands. i think there's much more resolution to the series than EoE, which muddied up the water a bit more than it answered questions.

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Postby Otohiko » Sun Jun 20, 2004 9:41 am

Actually, I can say for certain that I wasn't at all dissatisfied with the last two episodes, though I do like EoE. Like I said somewhere... watching the last 2 eps makes me feel... really good for some reason :roll:
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Postby AtomicWeezleman » Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:20 am

Eoe was only good for a few things,

1. We finally see Asukas Breasts.
2. We finally see Asuka seriously kick ass.
3. We finally see Asuka die.

I cant think of any other plus points right now......

BTW i really like the film, but still prefer TV ending....
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Postby Chloe_666 » Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:38 am

I prefer the TV ending because in EOE Rei dies :cry: :cry:

Beside of that I dont thibk that Asukas fight vs the 05 series is her best I prefer the fight against Israfeal.
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:27 pm

I definetly agree with Otohiko about the last 2 episodes, they're uplifting. Plus one of my best friends saw Evangelion and was completely satisfied with the conclusion and then saw EoE and hated it. I like them both though.

Chloe_666 wrote:I prefer the TV ending because in EOE Rei dies :cry: :cry:


Yeah, but in EoE Rei becomes GOD! That's gotta be a plus for Rei lovers (like myself) no?
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Postby gunhoe86 » Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:42 am

AtomicWeezleman wrote:Eoe was only good for a few things,

1. We finally see Asukas Breasts.
2. We finally see Asuka seriously kick ass.
3. We finally see Asuka die.

I cant think of any other plus points right now......

BTW i really like the film, but still prefer TV ending....



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Postby the Black Monarch » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:24 pm

Anno made EoE because it, not EoTV, was how he had originally wanted to end the series. The death threats were just extra incentive. EoE was basically the "Director's Cut" of the last two episodes - notice that the two halves of EoE are given the same notation (25' and 26') as the other DC episodes.

AtomicWeezleman wrote:Eoe was only good for a few things,

1. We finally see Asukas Breasts.
2. We finally see Asuka seriously kick ass.
3. We finally see Asuka die.

I cant think of any other plus points right now......


I will see your 3 reasons:

4. We finally see Rei's breasts.
5. We finally see Rei seriously kill everyone on the whole f***ing planet.
6. We finally see Rei have her way with Shinji.

And raise you 14 more:

7. We finally see Misato have her way with Shinji.
8. We finally see Misato die.
9. We finally see Ritsuko die.
10. We finally see Gendo die.
11. We finally see pretty much everyone die... even that asshole NERV janitor who kept giving Shinji a hard time! No wait, I'm thinking of Scrubs.
12. We finally see Misato explain WTF the Angels are and stuff.
13. We finally see that Misato stole Satan's parking spot and that's why all this bad shit is happening.
14. We finally see Gendo die. Woohoo!
15. We finally see that Rei crushed Gendo's glasses.
16. We finally see Gendo get pwnt by Rei.
17. We finally see Gendo die! I mean, what more do you want?
18. We finally see Shinji work up the balls to pay back Asuka for all the shit she put him through.
19. We finally see what happened to all those other Evas that SEELE was in such a rush to build, and why there was such a rush to build them with no more Angels left.
20. We finally see Gendo die!
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Postby EXODO » Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:24 pm

About the last 2 episodes:
I think that the real story behind the EVAs story was the mental transition made by Shingi (the main character). As you can see in the begining of the series he was a very shy guy that never thought he could defeat his father. And at the end he is a more "violent" person more confident on himself. The real story is not about the evas, the angels an the end of the world. Is about the mentallity of our characters and how each one has changed because of the NERV corporation and the secound impact. The story is about the emotional and phycological transition the character has during the story. The end of the world is just something aside that is happening (like a side story to confuse you from the real story). That is way in the last two episodes are very strnge and in the last episode everybody starts clapping because Shingi is a better person (is like if he is trying to find himself and he finally did).

The movie was just to finish the side story (the end of the world story) for it not to be flying around without an end. They diceded to make the movie to give an answer to all the questions that didnt had an answer in the series. (In the EVA story). To understand the story you have to see it as 2 different stories:

1) What Shingi is passing thou and the mentallity change.
2) The EVA story and the end of the world.

This would make the explanation easier. You also see way Rei and Asuka are part of the experiments and way they decided to be part of them. Rei> Had no choice
Asuka> Wanted to be accepted by the others and be or feel special because her mother was crazy.
Shingi> Whats to proof to his dad he is worthy.

I hope this could answer your questions. :)

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Postby Daio Kaji » Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:50 pm

good post, but
EXODO wrote:Shingi> Whats to proof to his dad he is worthy.

actually, Shinji finally realizes that he doesn't have to prove anything to his dad. all he had to do was accept himself and screw what everyone else thinks for the most part... at least the jerks

btw, i prefer EoE for all the reaons Black Monarch has stated and probably more :razz:

asuka's kicking ass scene is also more than just good times in a mech, it was her mental rebirth AS A HUMAN BEING!!!!...that felt good [/intoxicated hippie rant]
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Postby EXODO » Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:14 pm

YES Daio Kaiji,
actually, Shinji finally realizes that he doesn't have to prove anything to his dad. all he had to do was accept himself and screw what everyone else thinks for the most part... at least the jerks


Yes you are right... BUT that happened near the end of the series. I was refering to the begining of the series. Shingi accepted to be a pilot of the EVAs to proof to his dad. At the end he realizes that he has noting to proof.

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Postby Daio Kaji » Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:46 pm

EXODO wrote:YES Daio Kaiji,
actually, Shinji finally realizes that he doesn't have to prove anything to his dad. all he had to do was accept himself and screw what everyone else thinks for the most part... at least the jerks

Yes you are right... BUT that happened near the end of the series. I was refering to the begining of the series. Shingi accepted to be a pilot of the EVAs to proof to his dad. At the end he realizes that he has noting to proof.
agreed 8)

btw, does EoTV cure Asuka's craziness?
that's one of the reasons i like EoE, it's clear she's all better
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Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:17 pm

Pffft, you care about Asuka, Daio Kaji?

Well I guess she does have like 15 trillion fans, but...

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