Samurai X: Reflection

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Postby Excalibur00 » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:22 am

I seem to find the animation of Samurai X very very diffeent from the series. It doesnt have something of the series that interests me.

Now the motion picture is adifferent matter, but the dubbed voices actors changd from the series. I hate that.
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Postby IamSano » Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:29 am

Excalibur00 wrote:I seem to find the animation of Samurai X very very diffeent from the series. It doesnt have something of the series that interests me.

Now the motion picture is adifferent matter, but the dubbed voices actors changd from the series. I hate that.


Oh, yes, I strongly agree. :) Except that i thought the OVAs were better than the show.
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Postby sk8ter10121 » Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:15 am

Ok my input on the whole contradiction of most of everyones beliefs that it was TB or lepracy or something of that matter would come excuss me this may sound a little skittish if you recall during reflections kouru asks kenshin to let me share your pain (burden if you will) now my thought of this would be to share the pains of you slaying most of the people that you did in the past (just one thought). Now if you also recall back into that era of japan they also had the "Black Plague" running about, that might be what could have killed him and kouru.
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Postby StudioKZ » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:52 am

Okay, some points that people are missing:

Kenshin nearly drowned on his trip to China, that's why he was sitting in a shack on the coast when Sano found him and why he couldn't remember anything until he saw Kaoru (That's also why the scar disappeared. It wasn't there as a result of external spite from killing his wife or her fiancee, but internal spite and having forgotten that, the scar disappeared). That was the result of Brain Damage from near-drowning.

The Disease he had BEFORE he went to China, he picked it up while working with diseased people around Japan and he went to the mainland to continue that work. It's Possible that it was leprosy but that's just one possibility. Realize that he wouldn't have taken any precautions against catching any disease if it meant he could help people that others wouldn't, which is something he would have done because he still had issues believing that he deserved to live. That's why he couldn't just simply settle down with Kaoru.

That of course completely discounts the last arc of the main run of the Manga where he finally settled his issues with the ghost of his wife and has the last fight with his Brother in-law and makes his peace with the ghosts of his past and gives his sword to Yahiko.



Mind you, the Manga ends not long after Kenji is born (When he's still a young child and sees Kenshin give the Sakabato to Yahiko), so it doesn't even begin to go into the whole last years of Kenshin's life thing. If I'm not mistaken, neither of the follow-on stories did either. So there's no telling if Kenshin did or didn't stick around, or if he did or didn't go off and catch some disease and if the story really did or didn't end the way it does in Reflections. Reflections does leave out some pretty key points, like that Kenshin's brother in law had a number of swordsmen working with him, that there were ties between them and Shishio (specifically that he worked for the Arms Merchant in Shanghai who sold Shishio the Battleship), and that Saito showed up when Kaoru went missing and went with Kenshin to the Island and then and there decided that he would never be able to settle the score with the Hitokiri Battousai, because Kenshin was no longer that person. Sano also went and he discovered more than the technique of Futae no Kiwami, he discovered the principal which in turn made him that much stronger. .. Crap, well that's all some 20+ issues off in the Viz Tankubon. Crap, with a release schedule of every two to three months it's going to be a few years <damn you, Viz Comics!!![fist shaking!!]> before we see that here.

Now, as far as the Anime, one person I know suggested Syphilis as the probable disease which would kind of gel with the theory that he got it from Shishio who got it from Yumi... Maybe.. o.O;

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Postby Excalibur00 » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:32 pm

But I still enjoy watching a more serious Kenshin as well. It seems to be a more sadder past than i thoiught. Very dramatic.
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Postby Tsunami Jones » Sat Mar 13, 2004 9:09 am

StudioKZ wrote:Now, as far as the Anime, one person I know suggested Syphilis as the probable disease which would kind of gel with the theory that he got it from Shishio who got it from Yumi...


lol. Can we stop with the theory that he got the disease when Shishio bit him? Yumi by all appearences was a rather healthy person (although that doesn't outrule anything really). I can believe though that maybe that Shishio had Syphilis, as it can make someone rather insane (Hitler supposedly had Syphilis), but then he would have no longer been insane when he died and decided to take over hell.
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Postby Excalibur00 » Sun Mar 14, 2004 12:24 am

I believe that the sickness is genetic, because Kenshin's parent;s died from it as well.
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Postby Arigatomina » Mon Mar 15, 2004 5:18 pm

Excalibur00 wrote:I believe that the sickness is genetic, because Kenshin's parent;s died from it as well.

But then Kaoru wouldn't have gotten it - just their son (since he'd have a good portion of Kenshin's genes).
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Postby Excalibur00 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:47 pm

of course their son would have inheirted the gene for the deiease.
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Postby Shun » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:00 pm

Tsunami Jones wrote:
StudioKZ wrote:Now, as far as the Anime, one person I know suggested Syphilis as the probable disease which would kind of gel with the theory that he got it from Shishio who got it from Yumi...


lol. Can we stop with the theory that he got the disease when Shishio bit him? Yumi by all appearences was a rather healthy person (although that doesn't outrule anything really). I can believe though that maybe that Shishio had Syphilis, as it can make someone rather insane (Hitler supposedly had Syphilis), but then he would have no longer been insane when he died and decided to take over hell.


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Postby Arigatomina » Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:34 pm

Excalibur00 wrote:of course their son would have inheirted the gene for the deiease.

Exactly. If Kaoru and Kenshin had the same disease, then it couldn't have been genetic. If it *were* genetic, then Kenshin and Kenji would have gotten it and died - and Kaoru would have been the one walking by that spot at the end. If Kaoru and Kenshin both had it, it came from one of the following -
--living together (which would fit with TB, though Kenji would also be infected and could get sick in the future)
--from being intimate with each other (blood/fluid transfer - in which case Kenji *could* have it, but may not)
--being subjected to the same carrier (in which case it couldn't be leprosy or tuberculosis - leprosy is a blood/fluid borne disease, TB is spread over long periods of time and would have to be someone they both lived with who also had the disease - there's no such person in RK)
--casual contact (in which case everyone around them would also be dead - everyone Kenshin or Kaoru came near or touched, and most certainly Kenji would have died if his mother or father so much as brushed his hand at any time)

We know Kaoru got it, not Kenji. So that rules out casual contact and living together (which rules out TB). That only leaves intimacy or being subjected to the same carrier. So either it's blood/fluid borne disease or Kaoru was having close contact with whoever Kenshin picked it up from.

But it cannot be a genetic disease (unless by some fluke Kenshin and Kaoru's ancestors just happened to all die from the same thing and gave that curse to their children, who just so happened to get together one day and also die, also giving it to their children like some family hierloom). There are very very few genetic diseases you can give to your wife without having your mutual child die much sooner than she does. And so far, there's no reason to believe Kenji is sick with anything. I really doubt it's a genetic disease.

Besides, if you're talking about the disease Kenshin (Shinta's) parents died from, that was either an airborne pathogen, or germs in water and food - the sort of thing that kills within a week at the very most. I don't know exactly what his parents died from, but the 'plagues' were all very similar when it comes to the casualty rate and contamination. If Kenshin were going to die from that, he would have died when his parents did. You don't carry the black plague around for 30 some years and then suddenly fall susceptible to it. Either you're immune or you're not. If Kenshin survived it once, he's immune. He couldn't have died from it later. Regardless, it wouldn't have been genetic in that case. Just being in the same place around the same disease you're parents happened to catch.
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Postby Pickner » Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:07 am

Could The disease Kenshin got been from Tomoe?
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Postby Arigatomina » Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:13 am

Pickner wrote:Could The disease Kenshin got been from Tomoe?

Absolutely. We don't know if she were sick with anything, but she could have been a carrier for some disease or another - the sort that can survive as a virus for years without every advancing into an actual disease. This would explain a flud born disease (intimacy) which fits with Kaoru catching it and not Kenji.
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Postby TallonKarrde23 » Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:32 am

i lean more to my idea that he got the disease through transferring blood with many (hundreds, possibly thousands) of different people. Sword fighting in real life led to MANY disease transfers due to the open gash's in ones body and the fact that there is a lot of blood, especially on the actual sword. A lot of STD's and just normal diseases were spread that way, so i think thats the most likely thing =/

and uh yeah, i probably wont remember i posted this cuz i usually just check GA so yeah :O
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Postby TallonKarrde23 » Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:33 am

oh and, like i said STD's were transferred due to sword fights too, so that could be yet another possible reason that she got it AFTER she "took his pain" and/or what not. Because he got an STD, just not from sex.
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