Evangelion Episode 23 Director's Cut proves the following...

This section is for the rational discussion of anime on a series basis. Spoilers should be expected, but please be courteous to your fellow users.

Postby Tab. » Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:15 am

The physical argument is moot, since, as mentioned, Shinji's plug suit floats in it. Likewise, there is a ship in Lillith's chamber (Terminal Dogma?), Rei's extra bodies float, and the Evas slosh about in it when in aforementioned chamber. Unless some kind of special condition applies, where LCL becomes less dense through some in-action plug mechanism, it's got to be an inconsistency.
User avatar
Tab.
 
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: gayville
Status: SLP

Postby Daio Kaji » Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:51 pm

yeah, i think they're just being very inconsistant

but really, it doesn't bother me at all, in fact, i like it, makes people have to think in abstract terms, don't try to reach deep and find out 'why?' all the time, learn to take what's given to you and run with it

since someone brought up EoE with Asuka bleeding freely (not to mention that everyone can talk inside LCL with no difficulty) wasn't there a scene inside Terminal Dogma where there was a ship floating inside the LCL...
actually, nvm, it wasn't in EoE, i think it was during the series when Rei was either putting in or taking out the Spear/Lance of Longinus (possibly spelled Caessius... i saw Passion of Christ last nite :D there was a dude that speared Jesus and that's about how the guy's name was spelled in the subtitle)

but yeah, since inside entry plugs, people behave as in normal air, it's another inconsistancey when they have a battle ship just kinda chillin' in Terminal Dogma... was it a patrol ship maybe?... since trespassers are suppose to be terminated anyways
If you're reading this, you've gone too far...PREPARE FOR RETRIBUTION!!
Don't judge an AMV by it's anime.. u nooB ;D
Image
User avatar
Daio Kaji
 
Joined: 12 Dec 2002
Location: ..wat goes here now?¿

Postby Tab. » Mon Mar 08, 2004 2:51 pm

Daio Kaji wrote:wasn't there a scene inside Terminal Dogma where there was a ship floating inside the LCL...
actually, nvm, it wasn't in EoE, i think it was during the series when Rei was either putting in or taking out the Spear/Lance of Longinus ... it's another inconsistancey when they have a battle ship just kinda chillin' in Terminal Dogma... was it a patrol ship maybe?... since trespassers are suppose to be terminated anyways



12 hours earlier and right above your post, I wrote:Likewise, there is a ship in Lillith's chamber (Terminal Dogma?)


bubble-burster :|
User avatar
Tab.
 
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: gayville
Status: SLP

Postby HeartbreakerByZep » Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:20 pm

My question is, how can Rei float vertically, in the center, completely submeged in water (or some other liquid) in that tube in that one episode, with obviously no floatation devices or anything since she isn't wearing anything. Come to think of it, how can she breath? Must be LCL or something... not that I have a problem with that occuring, it just makes Rei more divine.
Look at all my trials and tribulations
Sinking in a gentle pool of wine.
Don't disturb me now, I can see the answers
'Till this evening is this morning, life is fine.
User avatar
HeartbreakerByZep
 
Joined: 02 Nov 2003
Location: Bright Midnight

Postby LittleKefalos » Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:52 pm

Thanks for all your posts especially Daio Kaji's.

I especially like the idea that by influencing the pressure in the plug it can influence the interaction (don't know who said that) of physical matter with it. They can raise or lower the LCL pressure and did so at least once in the series (when Gendo wants to stop Shinji from potentially destroying Nerv headquarters).

The one question that I always kind of had was the first time unit one protects Shinji. I don't disagree with the fact that it was his mother that protected him, I just think it is equally valid to say that it was his influence that caused the movement of unit 1 arm (like an adrenaline reaction can cause you to do things you normally could not do) he and Rei were in danger and thus could make his unit one move without being in contact. Gendo smiles at this, the question is he smiling because he knows what Yui did, or because he knows what his son is capable of? His smile looks more like a smile of confidence (which indicates to me Shinji), but who knows what the heck Gendo is ever thinking (except at the end)?
LittleKefalos
 
Joined: 21 Jun 2002

Postby Daio Kaji » Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:38 pm

Tab wrote:
12 hours earlier and right above your post, I wrote:Likewise, there is a ship in Lillith's chamber (Terminal Dogma?)


bubble-burster :|


:? the time system is messed up (i don't have it accurately set) so it's not 12 hrs... i don't know when it really was, but anyway, that wasn't the only thing i posted about

so my bubble continues to float :P

LittleKefalos wrote:Thanks for all your posts especially Daio Kaji's.

:D thnx, but without the rest of the posters, i wouldn't have much to argue with :wink:

LittleKefalos wrote:The one question that I always kind of had was the first time unit one protects Shinji. I don't disagree with the fact that it was his mother that protected him, I just think it is equally valid to say that it was his influence that caused the movement of unit 1 arm (like an adrenaline reaction can cause you to do things you normally could not do) he and Rei were in danger and thus could make his unit one move without being in contact. Gendo smiles at this, the question is he smiling because he knows what Yui did, or because he knows what his son is capable of? His smile looks more like a smile of confidence (which indicates to me Shinji), but who knows what the heck Gendo is ever thinking (except at the end)?

i don't think it's equally valid, but if you want to make that argument, then it's not out of the question to think that shinji had a lot to do with the movement of the eva

you could think of it like... shinji is of course linked spiritually to the eva, it has his mom's soul, also shinji of course knows that an eva is a big giant robot that can move like one, you could think of the unpiloted movements of unit 01 as shinji's way of trying to protect what is close to him without actually having to risk his own body to come to harm

it's not completely out of the question that unit 01 acts out of shinji's most inner wants, it happens in another series as well..

Spoilers wrote:in FLCL, Naota in his own mind calls out to his brother Tasuku and Canti answers this mental call and helps Naota fight against the other robots


but i think the truth is that unit 01/Yui is always watching and if the need arises, she helps out her son that was so abandoned by the man she loved

Gendo probably smiled because he's such a sadistic bastard he knows that Yui has moved to protect Shinji and therefore has accepted Shinji as a pilot... and this fits Gendo's plan perfectly
If you're reading this, you've gone too far...PREPARE FOR RETRIBUTION!!
Don't judge an AMV by it's anime.. u nooB ;D
Image
User avatar
Daio Kaji
 
Joined: 12 Dec 2002
Location: ..wat goes here now?¿

Postby LittleKefalos » Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:44 pm

Gendo probably smiled because he's such a sadistic bastard he knows that Yui has moved to protect Shinji and therefore has accepted Shinji as a pilot... and this fits Gendo's plan perfectly



Good point
LittleKefalos
 
Joined: 21 Jun 2002

Postby the Black Monarch » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:26 am

The obvious (though not sole) answer to the whole "crying and bleeding in LCL" issue is that LCL is completely imiscible with water and much, much less dense. I personally like the idea that LCL only becomes clear and water-insoluble when electrolyzed, and when it is in its natural yellow form, it is soluble in water (turning red when that happens) and much more dense.

And yes, LCL is clear, as there are plenty of times when it can be seen through without any obvious sources of special lighting.
The only .org member to donate $1,500 and still have a donation status of "total leech"
User avatar
the Black Monarch
 
Joined: 09 Jul 2002
Location: The Stellar Converter on Meklon IV

Postby Daio Kaji » Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:41 pm

the Black Monarch wrote:The obvious (though not sole) answer to the whole "crying and bleeding in LCL" issue is that LCL is completely imiscible with water and much, much less dense. I personally like the idea that LCL only becomes clear and water-insoluble when electrolyzed, and when it is in its natural yellow form, it is soluble in water (turning red when that happens) and much more dense.

And yes, LCL is clear, as there are plenty of times when it can be seen through without any obvious sources of special lighting.

let's not try to contradict ourselves too much, but i know what you mean
it's not naturally clear, but it can become so under the right conditions
If you're reading this, you've gone too far...PREPARE FOR RETRIBUTION!!
Don't judge an AMV by it's anime.. u nooB ;D
Image
User avatar
Daio Kaji
 
Joined: 12 Dec 2002
Location: ..wat goes here now?¿

Postby )v(ajin Koji » Tue Mar 09, 2004 12:53 pm

UncleMilo wrote:
)v(ajin Koji wrote:
UncleMilo wrote:
the Black Monarch wrote:Milo, milo, milo... when will you learn to stop watching Eva under the influence of LSD?


I don't have to justify myself to an idiot.

-Uncle Milo


Then justify yourself to those of us who are not idiots, unless you think we all are. :?


Sorry, Koji. I just am really getting fed up by Black Monarch. Since he didn't get the TV series, he thinks anyone who claims they did are liars and on drugs.

[explaination here]

-Uncle Milo


Thank you very much ^_^ and apology accepted ^_^
I'm bored and you're dumb. A match made in heaven.
- Kai Stromler to son_goten.
Last edited by )v(ajin Koji on Mon 21, 2011 9:36 pm; edited 1 time in total
User avatar
)v(ajin Koji
 
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Essex, U.K.

Postby the Black Monarch » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:09 pm

Throw in "when electrolyzed" after the second part that you bolded, and the perceived contradiction disappears :)
The only .org member to donate $1,500 and still have a donation status of "total leech"
User avatar
the Black Monarch
 
Joined: 09 Jul 2002
Location: The Stellar Converter on Meklon IV

Postby Excalibur00 » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:15 am

I perfer to like the psycology behind EVA and not too much on the techinical things. Thy are trying to explain things that most likely is supernatural into scienitific theoies.

Sue most things can be explain, but trying to gives u a headache.
Excalibur00
 
Joined: 27 Dec 2003

Postby Daio Kaji » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:28 pm

Excalibur00 wrote:I perfer to like the psycology behind EVA and not too much on the techinical things. Thy are trying to explain things that most likely is supernatural into scienitific theoies.

...yeah, i think most people understand that that's the reason for the show's popularity, should be a given, but thnx for clarifying

Excalibur00 wrote:Sue most things can be explain, but trying to gives u a headache.

yeah, most people do get those, you don't even have to think about it, just reading the long topics is enough to get a good headache :wink:
If you're reading this, you've gone too far...PREPARE FOR RETRIBUTION!!
Don't judge an AMV by it's anime.. u nooB ;D
Image
User avatar
Daio Kaji
 
Joined: 12 Dec 2002
Location: ..wat goes here now?¿

More than one Rei???

Postby EXODO » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:14 pm

I really think that there is or there was more that one Rei.
This is for various reasons:
1) There is a huge thank with lots of REIs. (DUH!)
2) I know how the other REIs died.

Rei No. 1
When the mother of Ritsuko (the scientist) started on the NERV corporation she was in love with Shingi's father. But Shingi's father did not gave a dam about her. He one time came to the office with Rei insted of Shingi all of a sudden. One night when Ritsuko's mother was working late little Rei came because she ws lost. Ritsuko's mother tried to help her but little Rei called her a b**ch. Little Rei told her that that was the name her "father" used to desribed her. And started to tell her all the nasty (but truth) thing her father said to her at her back. This pissed off Ritsuko's mother and strangeled little Rei to shut her up. She killed little Rei and feeling bad about it Ritsuko's mother commited suicied.
End of Rei No. 1

Rei No. 2
After the dead of Rei No. they developed Rei No. 2 Who si the one we see thought the story. Remember the angel in form of serpent (string)? Well he killed Rei No. 2 that is way when they go inspect the capsuled they dicided to keep it in secret. When Rei is walking home after that accident you see her all wraped in bends but when she arrives she takes them all off and she had not even a scratch. How can that be possible?!?! And at NERV basement they keep a big machine to store all of REIs memories so when something happens to the last Rei they can download the memories of the last one.

Rei No. 3
Rei No. 3 is the one that destroies the world and appears naked until the end. :)

ATTE: EXODO
Studios: STUDIOS EXODO
Trying is the first step towards FAILER!!! <awayoflife>
User avatar
EXODO
 
Joined: 14 Apr 2004
Location: EARTH

Postby SS5_Majin_Bebi » Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:38 pm

So to summarise the above post:

Rei 1 - Developed as a clone of Yui Ikari mixed with DNA from Lilith, creating some kind of human-angel hybrid. Killed by Akagi Naoko after (accidentaly) insulting her.

Rei 2 - Developed after Rei 1 was murdered, this is the Rei we see throughout most of the series. She is killed by the 16th angel, Armisael.

Rei 3 - Developed immediately after Rei 2's demise (to cover up evidence of things such as the dummy cores, Rei's true heritage, etc), she differs fundamentaly from the previous two Reis as she feels anger and resentment toward Gendo for not allowing her to die (somehow she has memories of her previous existences). She later disobeys Gendo, ruins his plans and merges with Lilith, creating what I can only describe as the Angel of Life and Death.

As a note of interest, Kaworu (the 17th angel, Taberis, the angel of Alternatives) was created in the same way as Rei, although his DNA samples were from an unknown human source and Adam. His date of birth (creation) was the same day 2nd impact occured, which makes him the oldest of the children (15 years old when you see him in the series)
User avatar
SS5_Majin_Bebi
 
Joined: 15 Jul 2002
Location: Why? So you can pretend you care? (Brisbane, Australia)

PreviousNext

Return to Anime Series Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest