X TV - Episode 17

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X TV - Episode 17

Postby angelx03 » Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:05 am

Let me become a pioneer. :twisted:

Anyways, a couple of weeks ago my sister and I watched that particular episode on X.

somewhat spoilers wrote:Unfortunetly (for my sister), it was a flashback episode which talked about the events of what happened so far in terms of Kakyo. Then I realized, this episode remined me a lot of the X OVA a.k.a episode 0 since they threw in Hokuto meeting Kakyo.

I'm just wondering, was the X OVA really necessary?

[paizuri: Changed the subject. You're talking about episode 0, but only in reference to episode 17 which you just watched. Trying to make things less confusing.]
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Postby LantisEscudo » Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:24 am

The X OVA served several purposes, in my opinion.

First and foremost, it was a promo for the then-upcoming TV series. It was meant to build notice of the series.

Second, its content differed pretty substantially from Episode 17, as the latter was the recap episode for the series, and focused on the events that occurred during the series, with sprinklings of earlier events for explanation purposes. The OVA was more a prequel, focusing on the events that went on before the series started, and stopped before the beginning of the series.

There are also a number of scenes in the OVA that I would have never known about just watching the series. Working on one of my AMVs, I went through the entire series looking for a few particular scenes. I skipped the OVA because I incorrectly remembered all of the footage appearing at some point during the series. It wasn't until I went back and rewatched the OVA that I found them.

In particular,
Kakyou's escape and attempt to meet Hokuto before her death
was never shown in the actual series.
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Postby Arigatomina » Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:58 pm

Question - what's the X ova? Is that the movie? Or is it just another name for Episode 0?

My friend brought over the first dvd, so I've only seen a few episodes, but the first one was ep 0 (never seen an ep 0 before...) and I *think* that's what you're talking about. If so, why call it an ova instead of a preview? Is it really ep 0 or did the company just slap it on in front of the series and call it that instead of an ova? Was it originally released separately as a stand-alone episode/movie?

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Anyway, I haven't seen episode 17 yet, but if it's similar to the first episode, it sounds a lot like the 2 Gundam Wing 'flashback/summary' episodes. I thought that sort of thing was reserved for longer anime - I didn't think the X series spanned far enough to need that.

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Postby LantisEscudo » Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:52 pm

Yes, Episode 0 is the OVA episode. The OVA was released on video before the series, hence the designator OVA. For the US release, it was included on the first DVD, since US audiences are much less inclined to pay full price for 40 minutes of footage on a separate DVD.
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Postby IamSano » Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:11 pm

okay, so there are episodes 0-17...and a random movie called "X: the movie" too. What about Tokyo Babylon (apparently the prequel to X)???

And for X: the Movie, do you need to watch that or is that movie irrelevant and pointless?
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Postby LantisEscudo » Thu Jan 22, 2004 2:57 pm

Tokyo Babylon is set seven years before the events in X, and sets up the Subaru/Seishirou story. The two OVAs cover segments of the first five manga volumes (of seven).

The X TV series was made in 2001, and has 24 episodes and the prequel OVA (Episode 0). It covers the manga through about Volume 16 (of 18 so far).

The X movie was made in 1996, and covers a very changed version the first six volumes of the manga. It has no bearing on the TV series, much like the Escaflowne and Utena movies have no bearing on their TV series.
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Postby SS5_Majin_Bebi » Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:05 am

IamSano wrote:okay, so there are episodes 0-17...and a random movie called "X: the movie" too. What about Tokyo Babylon (apparently the prequel to X)???

And for X: the Movie, do you need to watch that or is that movie irrelevant and pointless?


CLAMP whore here, lol... *points to self*

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Tokyo Babylon is not really a prequel to X, it is the separate story of Sumeragi Subaru, Sumeragi Hokuto and Sakurazuka Seishiro (before he became a bad guy). If anything, its a tie-in or a cross-over. Also, worst kept secret of the CLAMP-iverse is this: Subaru is gay. Which is pretty much revealed completely in glaring terms in episode... 16? of X TV. The Tokyo Babylon manga (Which I have yet to read) apparently ends about 8 months prior to the beginning of X TV, although the Tokyo Babylon movie is like, 6 - 10 years prior to it. X the Movie (also known as X/1999) was the original X-based anime released. At the time, they didnt get the budget to make a full fledged series, nor did they have the desire. So instead, Rintaro (the "pen name" of the creator) decided that they would compress the entire series down into a 1 hour 40 minute move, cutting out all the "unimportant" facts, and also completely redesigning most of the characters, the origins of both holy swords (Instead of one from Magami Tokiko, Kamuis aunt, and Monou Saya, Fumas mother, the movie was one from Kamuis mum, and one from Kotori) completely removing the character of Kuzuki Kakyo from the Dragon of Earth and replacing him with Shogo Asagi, who was given the watercaster powers originally possesed by Kigai Yuto (confused yet?)

They also altered the state of Fumas family (both his parents were dead), removed most of the stuff concerning his relationship with Kamui, and his fate to be Kamuis Gemini/Twin Star at the cost of losing his memory, his identity, and his beloved sister. They also changed the nature of Kotori's death (but you still get to see the correct death scene in Kamuis dream, where she is run through and then decapitated when the cross falls apart, and Kamui is holding her head and crying) and they even completely re-arranged the ending. They changed the body count on BOTH sides, killing all the members of both sides (with the exception of kamui of course) when in fact, the following people survive (as far as I can tell from the Manga/Anime):

Yuzuriha Nekoi (DoH)
Kusunagi (DoE)
Kanoe (DoE)
Fuma (DoE)
Kishuu Arashi (DoH)
Seiichiro Aoki (DoH)

And pretty much fucked the entire layout of the story. The anime was much more faithful to the storyline of the original work. However, the X/1999 movie, whilst a sacriledge in the face of the original, is a good movie in and of itself. In comparison, however, the anime series is far superior, and the manga is best.

So basically, watch the movie for an action packed flick with none of the original story, but dont expect it to tell any secrets of the series.
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Postby Touya_girl » Tue May 04, 2004 9:44 am

you forgot Subaru survived
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Postby Touya_girl » Tue May 04, 2004 9:46 am

and Kakyo too

but I'm going by the Anime. the manga might be different.
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Postby Life-Giving Killer » Tue May 11, 2004 12:24 pm

I think the whole idea of X - the series is faaaaaaar better than the one in the movie. in the end of the movie, i was sitting in front of the tv for another 5 minutes after the end, asking myself "huh, that was it?did it really end this way?" when the end of the series even managed to get my eyes wet and i wondered when i could see it again. the movie had (for me) too much pointless bloodbaths. but the series....there is this episode, where the question why one shouldn't kill people is raised. the debate goes: there are many aspects to answer from. the biological, filosofical, but none of them is percfect. and then somebody says: i think that one shouldn't kill, because there is always somebody who will be sad when a person dies....that was beautiful...
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Postby SS5_Majin_Bebi » Tue May 18, 2004 11:37 pm

Touya_girl wrote:you forgot Subaru survived

and Kakyo too

but I'm going by the Anime. the manga might be different.


Ahhh gomen gomen!! I remembered after I made that post that those two did survive, yes... but I havnt been able to access the net for like almost 3 weeks.... which has been a blessing in ways that I'm not getting into right now... but still...

Yes, Subaru and Kakyo survive, but I'm pretty sure the manga is actually still running... oh well.
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Postby Shadowmage » Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:17 pm

SS5_Majin_Bebi wrote:
Touya_girl wrote:you forgot Subaru survived

and Kakyo too

but I'm going by the Anime. the manga might be different.


Ahhh gomen gomen!! I remembered after I made that post that those two did survive, yes... but I havnt been able to access the net for like almost 3 weeks.... which has been a blessing in ways that I'm not getting into right now... but still...

Yes, Subaru and Kakyo survive, but I'm pretty sure the manga is actually still running... oh well.


The manga IS still running (after about a decade....) and CLAMP decided to change some events in the manga (although they don't go back and actually change events.... they just apply the changes to the newer mangas and expect people to understand)
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X Movie/Series

Postby Lady_Phoenix » Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:36 pm

Ok after reading all of these messages, it seems that u guys are all confuzed. So am i because i happen to have this small trailer of X/1999, and it links to the manga and the series and it completely has no realtion to the OVA/ so called Movie. there is an acutal movie but i dont know if it is here in the US.

Another thing, in the series, Kakyou did escape to see the death of Hokuto because he saw it in his dream. and that is how he is sleeping most of the time in the series. Its kinda the same incident as with princess and watshisname nephew of the wind guy.

And JHU Battousai what do u mean actual series, is there two or sumthing becuase i have both the movie, the series and a little trailer that links the manga to the series but not the OVA. :?
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Postby angelx03 » Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:28 pm

Probably because the X the movie is licensed by Manga Entertainment. You have to understand that the X OVA is the PREQUEL (or rather episode 0) of the X TV series. The movie makes no relation to the OVA ans the series at all.
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Postby aznfs » Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:48 pm

the X TV series is far better than that of the movie... the movie was a condesned version of the original story so the movie follows this pattern... spoliers ahead... not that it matters

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oh yeah the kamui lives this time though
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