Goodbye Days

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Goodbye Days

Postby lloyd9988 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:55 pm

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I just say it right now. . . Banner still needs more work, the credits need more work and there are still parts of this AMV I still wanna change. . . But. . . After editing this whole song for two months and realizing. . . "You know what. . . I'm done. I've learned nearly everything I could from editing this." I just up and said its good as it is :P Its not perfect, and I probably could do wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more to improve it. . . but I just don't wanna edit this anymore. :sweat: Overall, though, this was a great learning experience and, if it wasn't for the fact that school is starting soon, and I have a major major major collab I'm working on which hasn't made much progress, I would do more but . . . Sadly this is not the case so I shall be showing this AMV now. :P

Special Thanks goes to Aimo for her awesome advice before and after the quickening, :up: Kinematics for his questions, ProjectBarcodeError for his advice on flow, showing me SNK and just being awesome (Sorry for not changing the first 14 seconds, I'm so lazy), Kisanzi and Radical_Yue for their detailed advice as always, ^_^ Centurione for her honest opinions and for being a great friend. :up: Anyone else I didn't name. . . umm. . . I don't really know what to say since they were the ones whose opinions I asked for the most before and after the quickening and they were more than accommodating. So, without further adieu, enjoy. ^_^

* Edit: Also, just something weird I just noticed. . . I was reading the description of the AMV and something about Angel Beats + Cosmic Love just looks amazing together. |:>
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby Statz » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:22 pm

Really good job with this one, definitely gonna download it. My only complaint is with some of the panning/zooming, sometimes they were a bit too strong, other than that is just minor minor complaints not worth mentioning. Once again awesome job, I loved it!
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby Taite » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:04 pm

Nicely done, Brad. (: Your editing has improved a lot since I first saw it, and overall this video is very solid. There are some things that need tweaking, but there's nothing that hindered my overall enjoyment of the amv, so great job (: With a lot of my videos I do what you did, say "I'm done," because like you said, you know what parts you want to work on, and you've learned from it, so I'm glad to see this amv as it is.

I would like to just give some critique though, just cuz that's what I do :nose: Feel free to ignore it though, these are just the little things I notice:

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The fade out at :13/:14, I think it'd be better if it was more of a normal black fade, with just a slightly deeper tone to it (I forget what this setting is called on Levels in vegas, but it's the top setting.) The majority of the fade is this dark toned effect that I personally like in moderation, but not as the fade itself.

I love your glowy/blur fade ins and out after :17. I'm seriously such a sucker for these, but they work well in pretty much any case, so awesome job with that. Fade out at :29 too, nice job at adding in the blur, I think it looks nice.
Honestly no complaint with pans at this point. They're not at your typical angle, but it looks good.

Eye transition at :36 is very iffy. I think the other ones you have look alright, but this one has a very slow zoom out time, so you can see pixels and such. The darkness of that clip doesn't transition well with the brighter scene either.

The clip before :45 is one too many I think.

:56/:57/1:04, more of those nasty dark fades/clips. There are a few spots where it works and where it doesn't, but I'll just mention one more.

1:14-1:24, iffy pacing, and the zooms toward the end aren't as good. The pickup frames into the next part of the song look good though.

In general, I like the overlayed clips on the beats, however in a few places the pans/zooms don't look as good. Usually happens with clips that have less motion in it. Just something to look for.

2:09-2:32 I like the scene selection, but I think it would have been better with just plain cuts and such. No need for the flashes on any beats, like 2:12/:13 and 2:!6. Like the heartbeats though, and the angel wing (:

After this point, I think your scene selection is strongest, because you're alternating between different events. It's more interesting, there's a lot of impact, in general pretty good. Some iffy pans and zooms here and there, nasty beat fade things.
Eye transition at 3:44 looks pretty good.

3:45 onward is great. I like just the simple cuts and fades, nice scenes, noise. Would have liked this kind of editing for the Otonashi death part I think.
A great ending though, especially like the hand part of it.

One of the better Angel Beats amvs I've seen for sure. Keep it up! :)
(now I need to go write some critique on the video that you actually asked for... >> lol sorry)
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby ShadowSuicune » Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:23 pm

I really liked your amv! :)
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby Kevmaster » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:27 pm

First off: This really is quite an improvement from the videos of yours that I've seen before and I enjoyed watching this. Mainly for the editing style. Relying on heavy beat sync while not hesitating to make scenes flow by fast is something I still love to see and which is something that seems to be done less and less nowadays (sad progress, imo...people should train their eyes instead of complaining).
There were issues that I had with the editing, though. Effects could (or should) have been more subtle. They feel too strong (panning and glow for example) and need to be better included in the footage. It's just too obvious.
I also felt that the beat sync got too messy at points.
And well...I couldn't really grasp any sort of concept. I prefer videos that have at least some sort of storyline...or at least show scenes that make sense alltogether. I don't mind random videos, but mostly only if the song is well...pointless enough. And that definitely isn't the case with such intense dramatic music.

Well, that's about it. Now go finish your MSI2 track :dino:
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby [madaraxD] » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:12 pm

Kevmaster wrote:This really is quite an improvement from the videos of yours that I've seen before and I enjoyed watching this

This. Well done Lloyd :up:
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby Kisanzi » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:37 pm

Finally released it.....hmmmm.....my thoughts are mixed on this final version of this vid. I did notice alot of changes in the video from the beta I saw. Some changes I really liked, like the scene selection and flow at the end was a vast improvement and totally rocks now. But you ended up making changes that hurt parts that I liked better before, like the part near the beginning that used to be my favorite now has sharper pans and zooms that hurt the look. So all in all I prefer parts of the video to others, but as a whole I think it's a good mood piece.

Nice work overall and I await this collab project that you are investing many of your efforts in. I better be AMAZING!
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby lloyd9988 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:51 pm

Was not. . . expecting this xD Umm. . . K, guess I'll start answering some of the posts

Statz wrote:Really good job with this one, definitely gonna download it. My only complaint is with some of the panning/zooming, sometimes they were a bit too strong, other than that is just minor minor complaints not worth mentioning. Once again awesome job, I loved it!


Pretty much x) I'm glad you liked it. But I guess the pan zooms were a bit too strong :sweat: Thanks for telling me. :)

Taite wrote:Nicely done, Brad. (: Your editing has improved a lot since I first saw it, and overall this video is very solid. There are some things that need tweaking, but there's nothing that hindered my overall enjoyment of the amv, so great job (: With a lot of my videos I do what you did, say "I'm done," because like you said, you know what parts you want to work on, and you've learned from it, so I'm glad to see this amv as it is.

I would like to just give some critique though, just cuz that's what I do :nose: Feel free to ignore it though, these are just the little things I notice:

Spoiler :
The fade out at :13/:14, I think it'd be better if it was more of a normal black fade, with just a slightly deeper tone to it (I forget what this setting is called on Levels in vegas, but it's the top setting.) The majority of the fade is this dark toned effect that I personally like in moderation, but not as the fade itself.

I love your glowy/blur fade ins and out after :17. I'm seriously such a sucker for these, but they work well in pretty much any case, so awesome job with that. Fade out at :29 too, nice job at adding in the blur, I think it looks nice.
Honestly no complaint with pans at this point. They're not at your typical angle, but it looks good.

Eye transition at :36 is very iffy. I think the other ones you have look alright, but this one has a very slow zoom out time, so you can see pixels and such. The darkness of that clip doesn't transition well with the brighter scene either.

The clip before :45 is one too many I think.

:56/:57/1:04, more of those nasty dark fades/clips. There are a few spots where it works and where it doesn't, but I'll just mention one more.

1:14-1:24, iffy pacing, and the zooms toward the end aren't as good. The pickup frames into the next part of the song look good though.

In general, I like the overlayed clips on the beats, however in a few places the pans/zooms don't look as good. Usually happens with clips that have less motion in it. Just something to look for.

2:09-2:32 I like the scene selection, but I think it would have been better with just plain cuts and such. No need for the flashes on any beats, like 2:12/:13 and 2:!6. Like the heartbeats though, and the angel wing (:

After this point, I think your scene selection is strongest, because you're alternating between different events. It's more interesting, there's a lot of impact, in general pretty good. Some iffy pans and zooms here and there, nasty beat fade things.
Eye transition at 3:44 looks pretty good.

3:45 onward is great. I like just the simple cuts and fades, nice scenes, noise. Would have liked this kind of editing for the Otonashi death part I think.
A great ending though, especially like the hand part of it.

One of the better Angel Beats amvs I've seen for sure. Keep it up! :)
(now I need to go write some critique on the video that you actually asked for... >> lol sorry)


. . . I knew I should've asked you to beta test my video before adding it. Why I didn't . . . I don't even know. xD Still, thanks for that, I re-watched it and have to agree that there is still a lot of flaws (Mainly that eye transition at 0:36 >.< Should've just replaced that scene or just done a simple cross-fade and I don't think I'll ever get what people want at 0:13 with that fade out). But, hey, definitely adds to the learning experience so that's what counts. ^_^ Thanks Taite!

ShadowSuicune wrote:I really liked your amv! :)


Cool |:>

Kevmaster wrote:First off: This really is quite an improvement from the videos of yours that I've seen before and I enjoyed watching this. Mainly for the editing style. Relying on heavy beat sync while not hesitating to make scenes flow by fast is something I still love to see and which is something that seems to be done less and less nowadays (sad progress, imo...people should train their eyes instead of complaining).
There were issues that I had with the editing, though. Effects could (or should) have been more subtle. They feel too strong (panning and glow for example) and need to be better included in the footage. It's just too obvious.
I also felt that the beat sync got too messy at points.
And well...I couldn't really grasp any sort of concept. I prefer videos that have at least some sort of storyline...or at least show scenes that make sense alltogether. I don't mind random videos, but mostly only if the song is well...pointless enough. And that definitely isn't the case with such intense dramatic music.

Well, that's about it. Now go finish your MSI2 track :dino:


Lol Yey for improvement |:> but yeah. . . sooo many issues. . . I think I would've made the effects more subtle if it wasn't for the fact that my footage glitched on me every time I added like one effect (fyi, Handbrake will never be used again after this) :amv: xD But the AMV is kinda pointless unless your literally in my head and listening to my every thought when I was making this and, even then, you'd probably be like: ". . . What??". Sorry if I made anyone feel like they've been trolled. :P

Now to finish that MSI track :dino: '

[madaraxD] wrote:
Kevmaster wrote:This really is quite an improvement from the videos of yours that I've seen before and I enjoyed watching this

This. Well done Lloyd :up:


|:> Thanks Madara!

Kisanzi wrote:Finally released it.....hmmmm.....my thoughts are mixed on this final version of this vid. I did notice alot of changes in the video from the beta I saw. Some changes I really liked, like the scene selection and flow at the end was a vast improvement and totally rocks now. But you ended up making changes that hurt parts that I liked better before, like the part near the beginning that used to be my favorite now has sharper pans and zooms that hurt the look. So all in all I prefer parts of the video to others, but as a whole I think it's a good mood piece.

Nice work overall and I await this collab project that you are investing many of your efforts in. I better be AMAZING!


Its an iffy situation either way xD Sorry to give confusing thoughts on this final beta but I'll be investing more time into the collab after the release of the next collab. xD Umm. . . Next time though, I'll be sending you a beta finale before I release it so it'll meet quality, Kisanzi standards :P Thank you and Yue very much for being my beta testers, it helped me out a LOT. ^_^

Again, thank you all for your opinions guys, I'm glad to always learn something new from everyones thoughts on an AMV. ^_^ Lastly. . . the greatest lesson learned making this, is probably. . . Never use handbrake. . . Unless you know what your doing :nose:
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby S.A. Robert » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:31 am

Nice work :up:
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby AimoAio » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:11 am

lloyd9988 wrote:I don't think I'll ever get what people want at 0:13 with that fade out.

I think it's just to make it look cleaner/smoother. At least in my case it was. :P But nice video! I'm liking the changes you made since the last beta. I know you said there are still some parts you would have liked to work on but I think you've already outdid yourself with this one since it's a huge improvement from your previous works. So while there are parts I would still tweak myself, I don't really think it's necessary since the AMV pretty much feels "complete" to me now. And obviously because editing this for 2 months is exhausting and having you go through more trouble like that is kinda mean. :P So I'm happy to see the final result of this AMV being released! :mrgreen:

Anyway I really enjoyed it. A lot of AMVs nowadays tend to be internal sync heavy and less beat sync heavy so it's nice to see a change, not saying internal sync is bad...but seeing it so often kinda takes away the impact slightly. (But then I also do this so I have no right to say anything. :sweat: ) And overlays when done properly look amazing in a video, well to me at least since I love good overlaying in videos. :up: Good use of panning/zooms and blurs, good pacing, good editing in general. I guess the only thing missing was some sort of story but I'm not too hugely fussed since this AMV IS beat sync oriented and having the viewer focus on that only is a good thing because having too many things in an AMV can get confusing cause I'd be so busy marvelling at the beat sync that I'd be like "wa-whut happened?!" :|

Now you just gotta tidy up your R3 video and release that too. ;3 But good job nonetheless, it's nice to see you continually improve with each video you make so keep up the good work! :up:

P.S. One last thing, Yuri is MINES. Both you and Kaze need to back off. D<
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby irriadin » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:26 pm

Some things irk me about the video (sometimes the sync gets into a predictable pattern, some of the zooms are questionable, audio quality issue) but overall this is a big improvement over your past works. Keep it up! :up:
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby TheCacoVenom » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:52 pm

pretty good :up:
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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby Mkid » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:19 pm

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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby ProjectBarcodeError » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:51 pm

How was the beta-testing in a nutshell.

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More seriously:

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the change at 0:08 (scope mode ) is a good idea, but you should have continued the dezoom, not rezooming,

the transition at 0:10 could have been a little bit more intersting, but nothing serious.

the fades with the two character after that is cool.

scene at 0:20 is a little bit too long IMO.

the little pulse added at the beggining of the verse are a good idea to put emphasis with the drum.

0:35 : OH HARUHI, you forgot the blur! it's all pixellised and harsh :(

you added a good bunch of travelling. that makes it more active . nice

the scene with the hero à 1:11 is too short. seems "forgotten"

1:29 not a fan. we see her BIG and fadin to her again. these transitions seems
lacking coherence. don't use the "but she can clone herself" as an excuse XD.

1:44 you shol have used the black background of the tunnel to make a transition to the dancing guy, i think. you know, like "High Correction"

1:58 lack of blur/too much zoomed at the girl

2:12 the second black fade ( the one with 2 girls and the hero before the scene change) is a bit harsh

after that, hte pulse are interesting, bit if you would have wanted ot make it epic, you should have use more appropriate effect for a "dying" effect ( blurs, little eye veins, i dunno, something explicit :p )

the fade isn't perfect, but ok.

the fades at 2:54 are a lot better than before.

3:03 like i said, careful with harsh dezoom and rezooms. but good modification.

3:19 you could have put an excellent transition there (roto or mastered color isolation) to make the guy appear inside the flash. too bad ^^

3:44 again, careful ! use blur :p

the outro is very clean cut, efficent and simple. but a bit long (especially for a con, i think). maybe if you wanted to add some "relevant" scenes in background to help with the story conclusion, if you felt necessary, it could have been a good idea. or even adding a bonus final scene. but it's a bit too much on the same pace. it's still very good, but it could have been a little bit more exploited.



to sum up, there's still errors and things to recheck for another AMV, but i'll say it frankly : you had a huge improvement compared to the quickening edit and your others amvs before. you look a bit like me: open to correction and a lot of effort, with a story you want to tell ( sometimes people don't always get it, the technique can still be more variated, but i'm very confident for the future). and as a rival: yeah i was suprised for the results, but i couldn't have time to edit at round 3, and considering some facts, it's a best thing you passed. I'll just make sure to improve and make no prisonners next year, muhaha.


I was glad to notice the progression of this amv, and I hope you will continue that way and pierce the motherfudging heaven. the road's long. but you can do it !


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Re: Goodbye Days

Postby blaksun » Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:58 am

voo has it been over a year seine i send you a pm abut you first amv :asd:
lats start wed wot i don´t like the spit\line effect at 0:34 and the are some sense i fell have been over use like the dropping of the done cart :roll:
as always you have good fell for sync 8-)

Over all i reel enjoy this one :D
Good job :up:
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