AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby OtakuGray » Mon May 10, 2010 7:48 pm

I'm generally new o.o

I knew about the org way before i joined and started uploading, but then Nommay told me i should join and i wanted to get my hands dirty >:3

So i joined lol

At times i feel like a noob but i know that ill learn as i go, and eventually get to the standard editing skill that i see coming from editors on here. ^^
And i agree with Code also, You DO have to have some epic self-esteem. :sweat:
I've been thrashed around in the editing community by youtube trolls, org trolls, and just people that hate me for no reason. Its hard to explain how hard it was for me, but i think ive grown a lot since joining the org and i wanna thank everyone, even the haters, for helping me learn to cope and become a stronger, more mature editor. |:>

It has even made me wanna get a career in film. I'm still not sure what i want to do yet, but im in college getting a basic 2 year degree. Hopefully, after i graduate, i can move somewhere and get a job in editing! :D
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby JaddziaDax » Tue May 11, 2010 3:18 pm

Epic self esteem? or just the ability to separate yourself from your video... You are not your video.

Just because someone doesn't like your video doesn't mean they don't like you, and just because someone likes your video doesn't mean they like you. There's plenty of jerks on this site I think make good videos. There's plenty of people on this site that I love who make horrid videos. Liking or disliking their video has nothing to do with me liking or disliking them.

I do think, however that it takes a lot of balls to put anything out there into a community that likes to critique everything they see. And the people on the org DO like critiquing everything (especially if it seems popular).

Besides there's a difference between flaming and critique. A lot of people don't know the difference, both on the giving and receiving sides.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby Knowname » Thu May 13, 2010 3:02 pm

^^there is no difference you can't have your cake and eat it too, the only difference is how you take it...

But other than that 100% agree.

and some ppl don't quit, they just take loooooooooooooooong breaks.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby competitionbros » Sun May 16, 2010 11:39 am

Lifetime addiction? No. I can go weeks or months without editing.


Lifetime hobby? Possibly.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby kickass331 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:35 am

i'm going to at least post on these forums as long as I have internet.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby seasons » Tue May 18, 2010 10:07 am

SQ wrote:Or are these 'new members' just not into community participation? Or am I getting the wrong impression completely?

What do you think I should do? Out of all the Internet communities that I've attempted to join, this is by far one of the most insular.

Given a long enough course of time, almost every message board will eventually shift its focus from the subject it was founded on to the actual members themselves. With my join date being what it is -- although I've lurked since 2002 -- there's no post I can make that won't be greeted by a certain amount of condescension or eye-rolling by the "core" members here. From the outside, it looks like everyone who's been here since 2006 or so has just circled the wagons. I'm not a "Youtube editor" and didn't discover AMVs there, but I can see how it's probably just more convenient to lump everyone who's joined after a certain date into that category.

I want to make more videos and to improve on my mistakes, but I'm not so deluded as to think that much of anyone here is going to be interested in watching them. At least not when people are posting birthday AMVs and other videos filled with Org/Internet-meta jokes that eventually go on to reach AMV of the week/month status around here.

I'm probably older than most of you so I have a more difficult time understanding this hobby as the kind of adolescent phase that it's so commonly written off as, even by people who've been in it for years. I hope I'm editing for years to come, or at least until the breakdown of society sometime in the next decade or two.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Tue May 18, 2010 10:15 am

seasons wrote:Given a long enough course of time, almost every message board will eventually shift its focus from the subject it was founded on to the actual members themselves. With my join date being what it is -- although I've lurked since 2002 -- there's no post I can make that won't be greeted by a certain amount of condescension or eye-rolling by the "core" members here. From the outside, it looks like everyone who's been here since 2006 or so has just circled the wagons. I'm not a "Youtube editor" and didn't discover AMVs there, but I can see how it's probably just more convenient to lump everyone who's joined after a certain date into that category.

I joined after 2006 (or at least actively, that is) and don't feel outlawed, and I think I could point out a few more people - most of them are just not willing to go through some critics, I'd say (or they are just pretentious with their "check my vid pls kthxbye").

One of my first posts ever was a video announcement properly entered into catalog where I stated it's new, that I hope for some critique and told this in a nice way - and because of this (the people wrote it) it got fair critique, some views and I slowly came into terms with community AFTER which I came to know inner jokes and such. There are enough kind people willing to check out your video and accept you into community - if you behave properly and you're not some kind of 1337 kid just throwing a single boochsack link.
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby Nya-chan Production » Tue May 18, 2010 10:16 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:most of them are just not willing to go through some critics, I'd say (or they are just pretentious with their "check my vid pls kthxbye").

I mean the people who just run away after first critique obtained, or the first sign that they behave badly, not the people I just pointed out, of course >.>
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby OtakuGray » Tue May 18, 2010 11:15 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:most of them are just not willing to go through some critics, I'd say (or they are just pretentious with their "check my vid pls kthxbye").

I mean the people who just run away after first critique obtained, or the first sign that they behave badly, not the people I just pointed out, of course >.>



Lol i was gonna say... :cry:

I usually stick around for full-out critiques. It makes me sad sometimes to know that an amv i made has a lot of flaws (coughlikefamecough) but, i also know that by getting these in-depth critiques, i can improve on what i originally made and learn from it. I think a lot of people just cant handle that. They'd much rather be called a "gay wimp who cant make videos" than get an in-depth critical analysis of their amv. But people like Code have been giving me some really good advice lately, and i really am thankful for it.
godix wrote:Like this one amv. It was all like woosh, zoom with effects. And I was all like whoa awesome. Then that guitar thingies popped up and went dun dun DUN dun then those box thingies went zooming by and twirling around and shit. Oh god, then the hexagons popped up and I was like 'I just got a stiffie'. Then there was the circle with those thingies going around and I blew my load.


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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby Beowulf » Tue May 18, 2010 3:30 pm

seasons wrote:
SQ wrote:Or are these 'new members' just not into community participation? Or am I getting the wrong impression completely?

What do you think I should do? Out of all the Internet communities that I've attempted to join, this is by far one of the most insular.

Given a long enough course of time, almost every message board will eventually shift its focus from the subject it was founded on to the actual members themselves. With my join date being what it is -- although I've lurked since 2002 -- there's no post I can make that won't be greeted by a certain amount of condescension or eye-rolling by the "core" members here. From the outside, it looks like everyone who's been here since 2006 or so has just circled the wagons. I'm not a "Youtube editor" and didn't discover AMVs there, but I can see how it's probably just more convenient to lump everyone who's joined after a certain date into that category.

I want to make more videos and to improve on my mistakes, but I'm not so deluded as to think that much of anyone here is going to be interested in watching them. At least not when people are posting birthday AMVs and other videos filled with Org/Internet-meta jokes that eventually go on to reach AMV of the week/month status around here.

I'm probably older than most of you so I have a more difficult time understanding this hobby as the kind of adolescent phase that it's so commonly written off as, even by people who've been in it for years. I hope I'm editing for years to come, or at least until the breakdown of society sometime in the next decade or two.


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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby Panky » Tue May 18, 2010 4:15 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote:
seasons wrote:Given a long enough course of time, almost every message board will eventually shift its focus from the subject it was founded on to the actual members themselves. With my join date being what it is -- although I've lurked since 2002 -- there's no post I can make that won't be greeted by a certain amount of condescension or eye-rolling by the "core" members here. From the outside, it looks like everyone who's been here since 2006 or so has just circled the wagons. I'm not a "Youtube editor" and didn't discover AMVs there, but I can see how it's probably just more convenient to lump everyone who's joined after a certain date into that category.

I joined after 2006 (or at least actively, that is) and don't feel outlawed, and I think I could point out a few more people - most of them are just not willing to go through some critics, I'd say (or they are just pretentious with their "check my vid pls kthxbye").

One of my first posts ever was a video announcement properly entered into catalog where I stated it's new, that I hope for some critique and told this in a nice way - and because of this (the people wrote it) it got fair critique, some views and I slowly came into terms with community AFTER which I came to know inner jokes and such. There are enough kind people willing to check out your video and accept you into community - if you behave properly and you're not some kind of 1337 kid just throwing a single boochsack link.


I think like this. I haven't seen any kind of condescendence towards me when I had posted in the AMV Announcements board for first time, from what I recall. And if it did, it wasn't because I was new, but because I did/wrote something wrong. Same thing with other people, I've yet to see anyone ignoring someone only because of the user's age in the forum: that would make anyone look dumb enough.
If it's about not getting attention because you just registered, I guess it's something that depends. There are editors that know other editors and are bound to watch their videos, or comment their threads. It's not about ignoring someone; but having enough trust just to drop out a comment/joke or whatever in the other guy's thread. You can rest assured that if people like the source and music, and have something to comment, they will.
And about the BD vids and mostly MEP ones, yeah. Considering the amount of people involved and importance, it's pretty hard to keep others threads up.
Heck, it would even be better to up first in the list the threads with less responses, and that aren't closed due to inactivity yet, at least that would make it fair for everybody. Remember that watching isn't the same that commenting, so even if they're good they're going down; that's the way the boards goes.
When did my post get this long :sweat:
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby gotegenks » Tue May 18, 2010 5:39 pm

The life of a newfag (based on the novel based on the truestory based on the life of "gotegenks")

FK YA, ANIME.
FK YA, YOUTUBE.
whaa? VIDEO?!@ HAO DO MAKE!? (wmm)
FK YA, EDITING
FK YA, UPLOAD
...WHAA/!@!? COOL EFFECTS VIDDEO? HAO DO MAKE? (sonyvegas)
FK YA, SONY VEGAS
FK YA, EFFECTS
FK YA, COMPLIMENTS
FK YA, FANS
FK YA, LIFE IS GOOD
(year goes by)
acquaintance : hey dickwad, youtube sucks A-M-V.ORG is BEEEETTERR
me : ...you...tube...
acquaintance : A-M-V.ORG~~!@~!
me : ...YOU...T-TUUUUBE....
acquaintance : YUUUUUUTUBE SUCKS, IT REALLY REALLY SUCKS, YUUUUUUTUUBE SUCKS, IT REALLY REALLY SUUUUUUUUUCKS!

...

FK YA PEER PRESSURE ;~; -newmember-

FXoverlayphotoshopnewfgtnarutoLPeditors are much more attracted to youtube where there are at least a billion more that are exactly the same (some with tons of undeserved recognition) and i love me some effects, naruto, and LP, but there's a specific editor in mind that encompasses 70% of editors on yt and that means that nearly every newcomer saw one of these before they even tried a hand at editing (might have motivated em to start) so they'll go to youtube, do their thing, and if they ever even find out about the Org, they hate us for frowning upon fx and overused sources,

In fact, i knew about this place for almost a year before i made an account, and then a lot more months before i posted my first video, or my first comment. This community is really intimidating because of elitist fags such as myself, but that makes it so much more rewarding when you finally earn a little respect around here.

in other words...

youtube = newfags
a-m-v.org = oldfags
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby competitionbros » Tue May 18, 2010 7:32 pm

gotegenks wrote:The life of a newfag (based on the novel based on the truestory based on the life of "gotegenks")

FK YA, ANIME.
FK YA, YOUTUBE.
whaa? VIDEO?!@ HAO DO MAKE!? (wmm)
FK YA, EDITING
FK YA, UPLOAD
...WHAA/!@!? COOL EFFECTS VIDDEO? HAO DO MAKE? (sonyvegas)
FK YA, SONY VEGAS
FK YA, EFFECTS
FK YA, COMPLIMENTS
FK YA, FANS
FK YA, LIFE IS GOOD
(year goes by)
acquaintance : hey dickwad, youtube sucks A-M-V.ORG is BEEEETTERR
me : ...you...tube...
acquaintance : A-M-V.ORG~~!@~!
me : ...YOU...T-TUUUUBE....
acquaintance : YUUUUUUTUBE SUCKS, IT REALLY REALLY SUCKS, YUUUUUUTUUBE SUCKS, IT REALLY REALLY SUUUUUUUUUCKS!

...

FK YA PEER PRESSURE ;~; -newmember-

FXoverlayphotoshopnewfgtnarutoLPeditors are much more attracted to youtube where there are at least a billion more that are exactly the same (some with tons of undeserved recognition) and i love me some effects, naruto, and LP, but there's a specific editor in mind that encompasses 70% of editors on yt and that means that nearly every newcomer saw one of these before they even tried a hand at editing (might have motivated em to start) so they'll go to youtube, do their thing, and if they ever even find out about the Org, they hate us for frowning upon fx and overused sources,

In fact, i knew about this place for almost a year before i made an account, and then a lot more months before i posted my first video, or my first comment. This community is really intimidating because of elitist fags such as myself, but that makes it so much more rewarding when you finally earn a little respect around here.

in other words...

youtube = newfags
a-m-v.org = oldfags




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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby JaddziaDax » Wed May 19, 2010 11:43 am

The org has had it's intimidation factor since long before this year :P

I knew about the org for a few years before I started out in 2004. I wouldn't go on the forums until 2005 (now I'm the top poster). However, I rarely, if ever, wander into other parts of the org, except the donator's forum and site feedback, anymore because I really just don't care (JaddziaDax for most helpful). I don't think I was ever treated like a newb, however I'd established myself a bit (journals?), made some friends, and lurked to see how to interact before I started posting on the forums.

If your main concern is that newbs don't get the same feedback as established people, a lot of that is due to friends commenting on friend's videos. Established people usually have made a few friends, and all it really takes is becoming part of the community and making friends to get more and more feedback. Not to mention how many times Dragon/Roy has whored his announcement link to me on AIM. Making a crazy/off the wall AMV helps too.

If constructive criticism is what you are looking for the opinion exchange board will probably get you more opinions than just announcing your video and hoping for feedback O:

I didn't have the youtube link problem because youtube didn't exist back then. I only found out about youtube because someone else uploaded my videos there and I was getting emails from people viewing there. I remember suggesting the site to people who wanted to put amvs on their myspace profile.

Ah, birthday mep vids... (as far as I'm concerned) they started out as a huge in-joke between Rina, me and Scob and only blew up from there :aimkissyface: There's no real sense of elitism behind them, just this formula.. Make crappy vid making fun of the birthday boy/girl, upload. Just when someone's b-day would come up the more friends the person had made, the more people wanted to join the "project". People don't make them crappy enough anymore :/
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Re: AMVs: A Lifetime Addiction?

Postby EvaFan » Wed May 19, 2010 12:01 pm

Well comparably speaking to how it was some odd years ago it's actually gotten alot better/friendlier here IMO (In before godix post). Just don't get sucked into the whole social status business and create/discuss/enjoy amvs, thats what the site was created for.

Actually I think people have gotten alot better with criticism too. It was pretty bad here at times but lately we've actually seen people try being simple and clean about videos that had alot of flaws. The problem is usually not whats said but the person that it's being said too. Easy example: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=99700&start=0

In the past that thread would have been trolled hard just for its name after viewing the video or even without viewing it. Anyway, that's just my 2cents.
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