Kionon wrote:I am not sure I follow your historical references. I can't honestly say anything about EK or Joe C. EK and I have been friends for years, and have three connections, so I saw quite a bit of her outside of AMVs (she used to work the next desk over from my best friend, I've known Brett for years, and I know EK through AMVs, all in all, a lot of contact would probably have been had, even if neither one of us had anything to do with AMVs). I can talk to studio sites, nabiki irc, and the AMV ML. And I can talk about the early days of the org. But I am told the org hit its peak maturity in 2003-2004, years I was pretty much AWOL.
One could probably argue for the established community at 2004/2005. The purpose of linking to those old threads was to provide some comparison to the concept of the ~5 year cycle of a new generation of editors that I posted. Why didn't EK or Joe C really stick around during those years of the org? While they were certainly on their way out of the hobby you can argue they were still actively making videos at that time. The org was the fresh blood in late 2000/ early 2001. My take on it when the site came around was that it was basically a schism from the existing AMV ML elitists.
Peak of activity or # of posts does not equal peak of established community. I'm looking at the org from a social aspect like a guild in a mmo. It is defined by its members and chief among that is what we would call the core members, those who are most actively involved on these forums and basically define the attitude and atmosphere. There is a difference between being a part of a social community and being a member that occasionally uses the site. When the donut arrived I took years before I bothered to post a single video for download. Hell the only way my videos were originally distributed was a single upload to Mdenny/Waldo ftp and I think once to abma on usenet. In my early days I was certainly the complete anti-thesis of this site because everyone was about opinions being made for videos and I would have been a guy to argue removing them from the site along with not ever holding the VCAs because it was just a popularity contest (the fact that years later we have an alternate VCA only proves there were others with my position on that).
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Kionon wrote:Otherwise we might as well just say fuck it and leave now.
See the joke I made in viewtopic.php?p=854797#p854797
outlawed wrote:Kevin and Joe were both leaders. They got the hell out of AMVs. We could all learn much from this.
You know the old saying: In all good humor there is truth =p. At any rate I do believe this site and its community hold great value. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten involved in ACen contests and directed our efforts towards securing this site's community as its core entrants. My original post was merely to explain what I see as trends and my take on why there is a lack of new blood. I think ultimately it's like the situation before. There needs to be a radical shake-up like when this site was first created. I can't see anything else redefining the site's community. You can't just mass bolster the existing community from other sources it will not work. There is a social dynamic involved here that has to be accounted for to add members or you go the other route and burn it to the ground and start over. I highly doubt there are many interested in burning it to the ground. This is all my opinion. You could easily argue against this line of thought. Bottom line this is just how I see it.













