SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby SQ » Wed May 12, 2010 8:12 am

@Dwp
Same content, just re-written. Also, I'm fixing the typo now. Thank you =3

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I'm not sure what you mean?

@Prodigi
Is your opinion that they are always wrong no matter what, or that they are done wrong so often you don't want white flashes to be suggested to people who will also probably only use them wrong? And why white flashes but not black?

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Well the guide already exists and has been up since 2004ish. So what you would be suggesting is instead of a rewrite, that we just take it down completely.
Right?
Aside from that.
The rewritten guide wrote:This guide is not for telling you when to synch or what type of synch is most suitable in certain situations or songs. It is only here to help give you an idea of what can be accomplished and how it can be achieved.
This is done by giving side-by-side video comparisons of a clip set to music that has not been synched and one that has.
[...] It also only deals with the most basic forms of beat synch - that which can be achieved in your specific video editor without any special effects. It teaches how to cut and fade properly, in reference to music, as well as assist in teaching how to read a song's waveform.

Remember that these are only examples, and you should make up your own ways to influence your own style of action synch.

The guide is for people who just picked up video editing and don't know how to chop up videos at all.
This is aimed at the people who take an anime scene and go "well this sort of matches" and just slip it into the timeline, leaving you with an AMV that has uncut scenes in it.

While it was, when it was written in 2004, a guide for cookie-cutter action vids, now its purpose has changed to just show what is possible to people who just really don't know.

While you COULD figure it out for yourself, I just figured a guide would be nice, so when you get people who are announcing their VERY FIRST video, you could just link them to this instead of trying to explain why videos that actually synch to music look better.

I mean, I've no problems taking the thing down completely. I don't mind. If it's really not useful, I don't want to add to the clutter.
But others have already said it's helpful, so, I dunno. -shrugs-

If they were just trying to be nice then, well, that's their fault I guess. Way to lead me on?
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby mirkosp » Wed May 12, 2010 9:06 am

SQ wrote:@Prodigi
Is your opinion that they are always wrong no matter what, or that they are done wrong so often you don't want white flashes to be suggested to people who will also probably only use them wrong? And why white flashes but not black?

My opinion on flashes in general (no matter the colour) is that, while there are places to use them, it's probably also true that it would be possible to do something better to sync in those places than flashing a colour. Of course, in a few places a flash might be just the best choice, but that is quite rare...
I'm not Prodigi, but I would believe that his motive is along these lines, and I feel like backing his suggestion up anyway.
I'd also say to suggest not to randomly abuse masks or lip syncs. If not used fittingly, they just kill the video.
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby Nya-chan Production » Wed May 12, 2010 9:53 am

And actually, black flashes are as bad when abused, for your last question on that matter.
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby SQ » Wed May 12, 2010 10:13 am

But everything in this guide could be abused. :/
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby mirkosp » Wed May 12, 2010 11:31 am

Yeah, but if you place a few fades instead of straight cuts, it's not THAT bad. If you do even a single lip sync or mask that just doesn't fit, you ruin everything you built up to that point.
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby Prodigi » Thu May 13, 2010 1:29 am

mirkosp wrote:
SQ wrote:@Prodigi
Is your opinion that they are always wrong no matter what, or that they are done wrong so often you don't want white flashes to be suggested to people who will also probably only use them wrong? And why white flashes but not black?

My opinion on flashes in general (no matter the colour) is that, while there are places to use them, it's probably also true that it would be possible to do something better to sync in those places than flashing a colour. Of course, in a few places a flash might be just the best choice, but that is quite rare...
I'm not Prodigi, but I would believe that his motive is along these lines, and I feel like backing his suggestion up anyway.
I'd also say to suggest not to randomly abuse masks or lip syncs. If not used fittingly, they just kill the video.

Pretty much nailed it. There are times when yes the white/black flash is totally acceptable, but really sparingly. It also helps if you add sum glow and blur. At least that's how I do it :ying:

If you're using white flashes more than twice within a 10 second period you're doing it wrong. Once again that's just my opinion. There are exceptions to the rule, but in general...

And in regards to the black/white difference. I find black to be far less "omg my eyes have been raped". Hence why quite a few of my earlier videos did have some black flash/beats.
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby kickass331 » Tue May 18, 2010 2:45 am

i think red and green flashes are the best, and should be used several times per second.
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby pink haze » Sun May 23, 2010 11:11 am

Okay, I read the guide.

And I kept thinking every time it said "With this instrument, there are a few things you can do," No. 1 on the list would be internal sync, i.e. use a clip with movement within it that syncs with the sound of the instrument.

For example, if you have a series of drumbeats you want to sync to in your DBZ action vid, see if you can make Goku's punches land on the beats (bam, bam, bam, BAM!).

It's also good to sync internally with a clip that looks like it might make a similar sound to your instrument. For example, if you have a cymbal clash, showing two swords clash with sparks flying might be appropriate (in context, of course).

Personally, I think this is the prettiest way to sync; it allows for a lot of variety, unlike stock effects.


Is that too advanced for newbies? Maybe you could just add an internal sync section for more advanced readers? (If you ask me, people should be introduced to this concept ASAP.)

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Also, I think "Vocal Synch" or just "Vocals" is closer to what you're talking about in the "Lyric Synch," section, since you're only dealing with the human voice as an instrument and not the words being sung (lyrics).
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby SQ » Sun May 23, 2010 11:17 am

"Make something happen" was sort of supposed to get that point across, but I can see why it wouldn't.

Thanks for the input, and I'll change the wording too. I did notice the repetition. xD
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby Willen » Wed May 26, 2010 6:13 am

pink haze wrote:Also, I think "Vocal Synch" or just "Vocals" is closer to what you're talking about in the "Lyric Synch," section, since you're only dealing with the human voice as an instrument and not the words being sung (lyrics).

Here's the entire sentence for reference:
In this case, unlike the literal translation of a lyric into video(such as the song saying "He ate an apple" and you placing a scene of someone eating an apple there), you concentrate on the human voice being used as its own musical instrument.

I agree, that is Vocal Synch. Lyric Synch should be described (the apple example used is pretty good), then Vocal Synch should be defined and contrasted. The section is actually fine, just needs a change of terminology for clarity.
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Re: SQ's Mini Action Synch Guide - Come C&C the Rewrite

Postby SQ » Wed May 26, 2010 8:02 am

Thank you. I haven't had time to actually fix anything recent yet, but i will as soon as i can.
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