Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

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Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:42 pm

I'm once again going back over my Mac stickies and working on guides, software lists, etc. I'm putting this here in GAMV largely because some people who are very comfortable with their process may not visit the Mac forum much or at all.

What I'd like to know is:

1) How many of us are there? I do a rough count at about 10-15 on the forums alone. Am I underestimating?

2) What is your process, and why does it work for you?

3) If you could have a guide on anything Mac-related, editing-wise, what would you want it to be?

4) Are there anything in the guides/stickies you would like me to specifically address or clear up?

EDIT: Robot Roll Call...

Mac Editors, Active (roughly in order of join date):

Basically only includes people who are in this thread, or someone (like Brad DeMoss) I know edits consistently year in, and year out.

Castor Troy
Kionon
Studio Hybrid
LantisEscudo
rubyeye
MisterFurious (Brad DeMoss)
Pie Row Maniac
Qyot27
Bauzi
JudgeHolden
Pro_Pain
The_TEKnician

And apparently just switched: AllyKatAVR

I left off LittleAtari since she doesn't edit in Mac at all. I left off Minus (-Reda-) because I am not sure he ever did edit on the Mac he bought. I left off LeapofFate and DaCoolGohan because I don't know if they're active or inactive.

Mac Editors, Inactive:

Red Wolf, 15 Jul 2002 wrote:I don't know if we need our own forum. That would be like having a forum only for Premiere and then another one for other editors. These forums aren't exactly swamped at this point and this thread has had no anti-Mac postings thus far. I think as long as people with Mac questions but Mac in their title the rest of us will find them.


For inactive, I only put people I knew were a big part of the community at some point, so if I have left anyone out that someone thinks should be on this list...

Red Wolf (Original Mac Guru...come back Paul ;_;)
Nightowl (Retired my ass... Mr. Bezner...)
obh04
Tom the Fish (The first Intel Mac video I made was a remaster of a Tom the Fish video)
Bahamut God
Shazzy (Mac Guru before me)
MistyCaldwell (Made KOR AMVs)
LostBoy (Lee Thompson)
Scott A Melzer
dosdemon
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Castor Troy » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:52 pm

I haven't used my mac in a while, but I'll get around to posting my method of editing.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby rubyeye » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:08 pm

I've been intensely reviewing Final Cut Pro these last 3 weeks for an upcoming production I'm going to be doing, and I've been seriously contemplating getting a MAC but I have not found a similar AMV guide for a Mac workflow - except in sporatic forums posts. I want to know I can produce AMVs on a Mac relatively easily as on a PC, which would be my main reason for getting one. What I'd like to see, first and foremost is a comprehensive AMV production guide on a MAC - similar to the A&E Technical Guide for PC. Daunting, I'm sure, but that would be a big help.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Pie Row Maniac » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:43 pm

I typically still edit on a PC but have a couple projects on my Macbook going. I just keep Kio's thread on my bookmark bar. The guide has served me well so far, although having to convert all the footage to .mov is a pain in the ass, just so Final Cut can understand the footage. If that massive step wasn't part of the process, I'd probably edit with FCP as much as I edit with Premiere. I don't have a preference between them at this point; they both feel comfortable. Taking a variety of classes on FCP really helps, along with experimenting and tinkering on my own.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Castor Troy » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:46 pm

Can FCP and mac Premiere use avs files now?
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:56 pm

Rubeye, have you read every sticky yet?

Eventually, I am planning to put together a comprehensive editing guide, but the stickies are like the bits and pieces that make it easier. Once I get more of them done and up to date, I should be able to combine them into a READFAGLOL like guide.

Castor Troy, no. There is still no native implementation of avs on the Mac. Not until certain people get off their collective developer asses and finish what they promised would be in the 3.0 version.

PieRow, it shouldn't be massive. It should be a simple Save As .MOV in MPEGStreamClip, and that usually only takes seconds. No reencoding involved.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Pie Row Maniac » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:43 pm

Kionon wrote:PieRow, it shouldn't be massive. It should be a simple Save As .MOV in MPEGStreamClip, and that usually only takes seconds. No reencoding involved.

Takes the program 20-30 min. :? Do you have MPEGStreamClip on any particular settings?
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:18 pm

Pie Row Maniac wrote:
Kionon wrote:PieRow, it shouldn't be massive. It should be a simple Save As .MOV in MPEGStreamClip, and that usually only takes seconds. No reencoding involved.

Takes the program 20-30 min. :? Do you have MPEGStreamClip on any particular settings?


Something is very wrong then. No particular settings, just a simple four step process. Open clip, Save As, change container to .MOV, and save.

All it should be doing is duplicating the encoded video stream and placing it in a .MOV container. This should not be much slower than a simple command-c, command-v of the file.

Are you sure you're using Save As and not Export? Export as .MOV will reencode, and you do not want that. No point, if you're already working with HUFFYUV files...
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Zarxrax » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:37 am

Kionon wrote:Castor Troy, no. There is still no native implementation of avs on the Mac. Not until certain people get off their collective developer asses and finish what they promised would be in the 3.0 version.

AVS 3 is dead. Don't stay up late waiting :)
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Bauzi » Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:36 pm

I have a Mac, but I edit my AMVs on my PC. Just because I don't see any reason to use the Macbook for editing when I use Adobe Premiere Pro. I see no benefit in it.

I would like to see an overview about lossless, lossy and preview codecs on a Mac that are relevant for editing.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:49 pm

Bauzi wrote:I have a Mac, but I edit my AMVs on my PC. Just because I don't see any reason to use the Macbook for editing when I use Adobe Premiere Pro. I see no benefit in it.


Well, I use Adobe Premiere Pro as my editing suite. With the exception of direct use of AVS files and the need to have a .MOV container (which as explained above, should take mere seconds), there is no difference. I only edited with AVS files during ICs, and I keep a small windows bootcamp partition with XP on it, just in case I feel the urge. I've booted into it like... twice in the last year and a half. Clipping was always a part of my editing process, so I encountered very little difference going from Windows Premiere to Mac Premiere: the software is 99.999% identical.

I would like to see an overview about lossless, lossy and preview codecs on a Mac that are relevant for editing.


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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby rubyeye » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:31 pm

Kionon wrote:Rubeye, have you read every sticky yet?

I've read a lot, but may have missed one or two. I just like to be able to go to one source location that has every piece of information consolidated. I'm actually doing something like that right now with my FCP notes, from watching countless hours of tutorials.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Fri Apr 23, 2010 8:50 pm

rubyeye wrote:
Kionon wrote:Rubeye, have you read every sticky yet?

I've read a lot, but may have missed one or two. I just like to be able to go to one source location that has every piece of information consolidated. I'm actually doing something like that right now with my FCP notes, from watching countless hours of tutorials.


Again, this is the goal, but honestly, it's a massive effort, and the stickies represent what will be sections or chapters in that guide. This is why I want to know just how many people will use this guide if I write it. If there's just 15 of us, hell, just get on IRC and I'll talk you through the process. If there are a lot more of us, or we want to start building an actual subcommunity of Mac editors, then we're going to want that kind of guide out there, easily accessible to everyone.
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby JudgeHolden » Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:47 am

I edit purely on a Mac. I use Final Cut Studio, Shake, and AE. :roll: I do 90% of my effects work in AE and Shake, with about 5% in Motion and 5% in FCP. Often I have 3+ programs going at once. Now this is all on a G5 ... I can't wait to get my Mac Mini. :P
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Re: Mac Editors, Sound Off! What would you like to see?

Postby Athena » Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:51 am

JudgeHolden wrote:I edit purely on a Mac. I use Final Cut Studio, Shake, and AE. :roll: I do 90% of my effects work in AE and Shake, with about 5% in Motion and 5% in FCP. Often I have 3+ programs going at once. Now this is all on a G5 ... I can't wait to get my Mac Mini. :P


Details, please. Would you be willing to help working on part of the guide? I do not use FCS pretty much at all, even though I have it. I edit exclusively in Premiere.
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