At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby EvaFan » Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:36 am

I upload my vids cause I enjoy reading comments or seeing their reactions... Not cause I have an innate desire to impress others or win contests... If that was the reason I would of quit a while ago or would of been hellbent on learning more crazy and intense eyecandy/fx work for amv's. I do this for me and my ideas only, other then meps, cause I support the theme/idea/band or am friends with other people in it.
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby Unitfort » Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:10 pm

Crackthesky is just pissed that no one like his shit work no more. How the mighty have fallen
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby CrackTheSky » Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:35 pm

Unitfort wrote:Crackthesky is just pissed that no one like his shit work no more. How the mighty have fallen

Ha.
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby Adv1sor » Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:33 am

Good constructive criticism is always useful.

Someone pointing out a particular problem or suggesting a different editing technique should always be welcome, whether or not you take their advice.
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby Taite » Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:38 pm

I think I read somewhere that 4/5 times the criticism people give you is right? Or something like that...
But, while some people may share the same ideas, ("more sync here, that effect doesn't fit, etc."), all criticism is based off one's own taste.
If you were making an AMV to please every single person out there, then your video would have all sorts of things going on. Some people might prefer lots of effects on a techno-y song, others might prefer more of a raw-style, others just one anime, others a billion.

Over time though, every editor develops their own 'style.' Meaning, every time you critique their video, you are critiquing their style. Critiquing based off their style is better than critiquing their style ( :? ). I'm not saying that everyone critiques one's style, but in general, when you read comments like, "Bad anime choice, better if you used blah," that kind of stuff is like critiquing one's style. Sorry, but I don't think I'm going to go hunt down an entirely different anime just because someone says the song would look better with it. :| That's just me though. As per fourth to last paragraph, I'm a person who would rather satisfy myself than someone else.

That kind of stuff is simple-minded though. When someone can get used to a lot of different styles, I think then they critique better, because they are more able to give criticism that can be accepted. It's the simple-minded people who say the general "criticism", if you can even call it that, (ie: more sync, bad clip here, etc. all that good stuff.) Although, I don't think those people should be shot down with a "NO, I'm gunna make my videos how I wanna, WHEN I WANNA!" It's better to just say "Yeah, okay" and let it slide even if you're not really gunna accept it.

I'm pretty sure all editors out there edit for themselves, otherwise no one would have "criticism." Sometimes it's best to ignore criticism and maintain your 'style.' Other times, you can accept criticism because it is something you can see "adapting" (for lack of a better word) to. Or when you are more satisfied with pleasing others than yourself, you can accept that criticism. However, even though deep inside we want to please others and that's why half the time we release a video is to hear those wonderful comments such as "GOOD JOB!", I don't think people care enough so much as to change their style and accept criticism all the time. At least not me and half the other people out there. I mean, come on, how many times have you heard beta testers go "you didn't do blah and blah" once the final video is released.

Everyone, though, can say that 'simple-minded' kind of criticism every now and again though. I know I do. I think it's due to the fact that we are too lazy to give a good look into that person's history and are happier with their video pleasing us, rather than themselves. The people who give ops on peoples' videos nowadays should seriously be applauded, because half the time people don't do it because 1. they are too lazy, 2. don't really care if that person improves or not, 3. would rather look for a different video to entertain themselves than waste their time oping, or 4. the video is not 'their cup of tea' and would rather just set it down and ignore it. I applaud those who care |:> By the way, I'm not saying you're a bad person if you don't op. Sometimes people don't write ops because the person's video, in their eyes, is fine the way it is.

Constructive criticism, in my opinion, is those who take the time to do ops or lengthy things. Always look at constructive criticism with an open mind, because it's those people who put thought into things and it's courteous to actually consider them. But it's the little comments, the regular 'criticism' (that i've been talking about half the time), that is, imo, basically useless.

Of course, all of this is just speaking generally. I know there are people out there who aren't all about criticism and do like to op and can adapt to many different styles etc. All of this is just my opinion as well.
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby Bauzi » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:44 am

After having my first cut theoretics course I will probably give a shit about amv editor advices about editing. Seriously.

For movies there is an universal language to tell with cuts and sort of transitions a story. Everybody understands those things. In AMVs everybody has his own language which most people would call taste. It would be ridicolous to try to please every taste. So why even trying? My taste is enough and if you don't like it than go to... You get what I mean.

I think I read somewhere that 4/5 times the criticism people give you is right? Or something like that...

I believe that in every critism and rant is a valid core that can be considered to think about. A little bit...
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby Scintilla » Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:32 am

Zarxrax wrote:If I want criticism, then I will ask someone for it while I'm making my video. Once my video is completed, that means I'm either satisfied with it, or I'm aware of certain issues but I don't really care about changing them. At that point I could care less about criticism, because its completely useless to me. I'm not going to go back and change a video after it's released, and any future videos that I do will probably be sufficiently different that your criticism isn't going to be useful for them.

I generally agree with this comment, except that I would say I *couldn't* care less. :P

I have been known to change videos after their first con appearances and before I release them online, but I don't think I've ever changed a video after release.
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby Begi » Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:50 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:This is actually less a question for everyone out there than it is an observation I've made over the past year or so.

Basically, there came a point in my life as an editor (around a year and a half ago, when I finished Hold On) where I no longer needed people telling me how to improve my AMVs. Don't misunderstand - I'm not saying I make perfect AMVs now, or anything so vain, but rather that I have my own standards and other people telling me what to ....


blah blah blah yea w.e

AMVs are all based on the editors artistic opinion (hopefully we all know that). they are based on your opinion on how something should be showed meaning that there is no right or wrong way to edit a video (not including video technics. such as a/v quality). i believe that no matter how long you've been editing, there is always room for someone to say you need sync here and you need sync there because it's based on their artistic opinion. just because you edit some video after a year and a half since you first started or w.e doesnt mean that you have to ignore anyone and everyone elses opinions. that leaves no room for improvement because the only reason you uploaded your AMV in the first place is so that everyone can enjoy it (and to show off :P). the fact that you edited a video that you feel is perfect doesnt mean that everyone has to view it with the same artistic view as you. if you were trying to avoid anyone saying anything about your video you shouldn't have uploaded it in the first place.
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby CrackTheSky » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:03 pm

Begi wrote:AMVs are all based on the editors artistic opinion (hopefully we all know that). they are based on your opinion on how something should be showed meaning that there is no right or wrong way to edit a video (not including video technics. such as a/v quality). i believe that no matter how long you've been editing, there is always room for someone to say you need sync here and you need sync there because it's based on their artistic opinion. just because you edit some video after a year and a half since you first started or w.e doesnt mean that you have to ignore anyone and everyone elses opinions. that leaves no room for improvement because the only reason you uploaded your AMV in the first place is so that everyone can enjoy it (and to show off :P). the fact that you edited a video that you feel is perfect doesnt mean that everyone has to view it with the same artistic view as you. if you were trying to avoid anyone saying anything about your video you shouldn't have uploaded it in the first place.

I'm not going to address everything you said here, because I pretty much already have throughout the last six pages of this thread. The only thing I'm going to ask you about is this:

Begi wrote:that leaves no room for improvement

Define "improvement".
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby Castor Troy » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:45 pm

You could say constructive criticism stops being useful when your ego grows so big, that you don't want to listen to anyone anymore.

However, if constructive criticism made you as egotistical as you are, then it was useful.
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby Castor Troy » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:48 pm

Castor Troy wrote:You could say constructive criticism stops being useful when your ego grows so big, you don't want to listen to anyone anymore.

However, if constructive criticism made you egotistical, then it was useful.


Fixed, so that I'm not implying anybody. :x
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Re: At what point is constructive criticism no longer useful?

Postby JudgeHolden » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:26 pm

Castor Troy wrote:
Castor Troy wrote:You could say constructive criticism stops being useful when your ego grows so big, you don't want to listen to anyone anymore.

However, if constructive criticism made you egotistical, then it was useful.


Fixed, so that I'm not implying anybody. :x


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But seriously, to me the most imortant time for crit is in the beta stage. I hate sending out betas and getting no feedback. I love when I do get feedback (good and bad) ... cuz I want to fix any "issues" before it hits the streets. Often, my threshold for something in the video being a problem is if more than one person says the exact same thing during a beta test (or I was thinking the same thing); and then I go back and look at that segment again .. and again, and again ... :amv:
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