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PAYMVs!

Postby mirkosp » Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:33 am

Lame title aside, I wanted to bring to the org a discussion that came up on the italian amv site. Basically we were discussing about fair use, amvs being legal or illegal, related stuff and whatnot, and then I was like "hey, what if they introduced a tax that allows you to edit and distribute remix culture stuff legally under certain conditions?"... and so yeah, discuss? :amv:
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby Bauzi » Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:39 am

We shouldn't have to pay for our creative outputs. No. Just no.
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby mirkosp » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:15 am

Bauzi wrote:We shouldn't have to pay for our creative outputs. No. Just no.

Well, in Italy AMVs almost* aren't even grey area... between getting jailed for a year, and just paying a yarly tax to do it legally, I'd prefer to do it legally, if the possibility was given. :P

*There are one or two arguments in favor, but the biggest bulk of the arguments would say that it's plainly illegal.
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby osnar » Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:21 am

Bauzi wrote:We shouldn't have to pay for our creative outputs. No. Just no.


amvs are our creative outputs, but the source we use are note made by ourselves... imho a little tax is not that problem, if is "little".
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby Bauzi » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:05 am

Whatever.

What's wrong if you advertise the source and don't get ANY profit out of it and other's work? There is nothing wrong with it and it harms nobody. In fact it helps with free advertising. That's why I see no reason at all to pay a tax.
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby mirkosp » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:36 am

Bauzi wrote:Whatever.

What's wrong if you advertise the source and don't get ANY profit out of it and other's work? There is nothing wrong with it and it harms nobody. In fact it helps with free advertising. That's why I see no reason at all to pay a tax.


Video is pretty much of no harm, but audio definitely is. I like to release my vids with the highest quality I can (even flac audio whenever possible). Someone couldMost people will just download my video, demux the audio (or alternatively just play the amv in the background without caring about the video), and call it job done, so that's not fine to the owner of the rights of the music. By paying some tax, they'd get some money out of it so issue solved.
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby Bauzi » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:44 am

mirkosp wrote:or alternatively just play the amv in the background without caring about the video

That's a valid argument for me. Pirating songs with amvs is not a big deal in my opinion, because:
1. Not everybody is capable of demuxing videos.
2. It's minimal compared to the real threat of p2p and one click hosters.
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby Emotive » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:48 am

We should be the ones getting payed for advertising their lazy arses.
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby Bauzi » Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:16 am

Emotive wrote:We should be the ones getting payed for advertising their lazy arses.

Maybe. Why not.

I can't buy something that I don't know. I won't buy something that I didn't listened to before. Real fans buy the sources if they are real fans. Or they buy merchandise and go to concerts. That's just how it goes today: You have a lot of music that you don't care too much and you're favourite music that you bought. Or you saw a nice CD for 10 bucks and bought it. I don't think that you buy random cds for 15 bucks or more. I would more likely give a random artist 15 bucks out of my own will because he is sharing his songs for free over the net.

The internet has enormous potential for marketing. Just look at all those artists that get discovered threw the net. Like this little Justin Bieber kid. Look at Perry Gripp who SHARES his songs via the net and some sort of Open Source policy. I has fame, he has fans, he has success and he probably has the money too.

Trent Reznor (NIN) saw the quite enormous potential and used it. Free cds, a whole BIG website for remixes of his songs (remix.nin.com), cds with fan remixes, whole blu ray discs of live concert that made THE FANS of his music... It's like the title of a fan NIN remix album: The Limitless Potential

Fuck the industry for pushing only stuff like Lady Gaga or Justin Bieber in the mainstream media. Media like us is left to push and advertise all those artists that are left behind. Indusrty should be better thankful for all the thousands of dollars that I invested into the hobby and media related to the hobby. As said: I can't invest money into stuff that I don't know. I discovered so many of my favourite artists and shows over AMVs and the internet.
So the industry is angry for me that I didn't invested my money into Lady Gaga or what? FUCK YOU!

God I'm so pissed now. :?
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby guy07 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:25 am

You're the mod-god mirk, you tell us!
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby outlawed » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:32 am

Even if some tax system like this came to fruition we still have the problem that our primary audience is anime fans. Good luck making money off of them. The real anime industry is having enough problems with that =p
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby Bauzi » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:37 am

I think you legaly use the audio you can pay of the tax with some advertising. Like the system they have on the streaming site blip.tv.

Yeah adds! I mean... They don't need to take my audio or video down on YT. They just have to add some adds and a link to where I can buy the used materials and we are good. Stupid industry douchebags...

Ugh I should stop looking into this topic... It always pisses me off.
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby mirkosp » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:46 am

It was just a topic about a "what if" situation to make AMVs 100% legal... we always go over the "are they legal or not?" topic and always say they're grey area depending on the country, but we never actually covered a topic like this, afaik... :|
Was just trying some fresh discussion instead of going through another one of the trite topics... :?
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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby Enigma » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:46 pm

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Re: PAYMVs!

Postby CodeZTM » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:17 pm

Based on the conversation I had with my legal/ethicss professor and even my accounting professor today on the matter [read the thread prior to going to classes], I'd happily pay a fee in my taxes for it. Fact of the matter is, I feel less and less secure coming to this site with all the WMG and piratebay lawsuits the past year.

Our "creative outputs" are licesened property of other people. Personally, if my stuff was being distributed throughout the internet without my permission [I'm talking more about LIme/Frostwire and not AMV's at this point], I'd be pissed too. Because in a nutshell, AMV's are free music and free trailers for Anime.

So one could argue constantly that we're really just freelance marketers helping out the companies, but we're also promoting stealing liscensed material for our own uses. And while most people here help out the industry by supporting the companies and purchasing the anime they use and the CD's they use, they are a small minority in the dark hole that is the internet. >___>

The only problem with the tax is that it'd be a nightmare to regulate, and I'm sure the music industry would have NONE of it. xD

EDIT: I'd also be happy with ads.
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