The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

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The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Douggie » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:46 pm

Don't mind the thread title, that's not what this is really about. :P

I wanted to make this topic since last year, when I was with some AMV-editors in Chicago at a concert. I was looking at them and some were moving their head and body with the music and some of them didn't. At that point I started to wonder: does an editor needs to have a sense of rhythm and a sort of feeling for music (or any sort of feeling in particular) in order to be a good editor? I wonder what the general thoughts are concerning this here at the .org. Maybe some people think it's not needed at all, like it's just a matter of watching the WAV-lines to synch well with the music and that it's just following a set of rules in order to let everything flow well (because sometimes it seems like editors edit like this around here) because the music has already "established the rhythm for you" and you don't need to do that anymore. Maybe some people think a sense of rhythm is not needed, but you do need to be able to analyze and decompose the music really well instead in order to edit well to it. Maybe it's everything that is important. Maybe something else.

So what are your thoughts about this?

And concerning the thread title: they say that people who have a better sense/feeling of rhythm are better dancers and the better the dancer is, the better he/she is at sex.

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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Otohiko » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:56 pm

I definitely think most AMV editors I know have a better sense for music than the average person. However at the same time, I think looking at music in terms of rhythm would be pretty darn shallow - melody and harmony are no less "physical" in that sense. Different people identify with music and the world generally in different ways. Some people, whether through rhythm or not, identify music very closely with their bodies and with motion generally, and I have seen this in some editors I've observed carefully. By contrast, I'm not really rhythm-oriented and associate music not with body or motion, but primarily with texture and background. I think this translates into my AMVs as well.

I think most AMV editors have a kind of autistic trait, really. It takes something like that to be able to obsess for hours and hours over pieces of music and footage :P

As for music generally, rhythm is a bit of a crutch. I think most people have pretty much been conditioned to tune out your typical 4/4. It's no wonder some people don't react to it anymore. It makes me sad that apparently when people think about music, the first thing that comes to mind is "beat". I fear that if beat is all there is to build editing around, we'll indeed be replaced by machines pretty soon.

Likewise, one of my criteria for good music is "you can't have sex to it". Music that is well-suited to sex is as sophisticated as a brick. That kind of music is usually aimed at lower parts of people, and is not meant for listening, i.e. is trash.
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Douggie » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:24 pm

Otohiko wrote:I think looking at music in terms of rhythm would be pretty darn shallow - melody and harmony are no less "physical" in that sense.

Yeah, I said rhythm and a feeling for music, so I didn't mean only the first (even if it might look like I put an emphasis on it).
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Bauzi » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:46 pm

Yes I definatly think that the better editor is, the better the... ah damn. Stupid traps :amv:

I agree. I think you need a sense for rythmn and flow of melodies to make good videos to it. I don't like it when your song dictates the video too much. A beat doesn't mean that there has to be a cut or something else to sync it :|

The better the music sense of the editor the better his amvs? If you divide it down to no effects, cuts and velocity changes than I think you can be right.

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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Ingow » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:09 pm

Otohiko wrote:Likewise, one of my criteria for good music is "you can't have sex to it". Music that is well-suited to sex is as sophisticated as a brick. That kind of music is usually aimed at lower parts of people, and is not meant for listening, i.e. is trash.

Don't hate, I had great sex to Sunn O))).

Anyways, the bigger the mass of people that your editing can reach the more popular your editing will get, and you can't really reach a broad mass of people by just synching to the feeling or the emotional level of music (maybe when it comes to Jihaku that worked though, I don't know). But in general I'd say that if you really feel a song and edit to it you can make a bigger impact on people that share the same emotions, while when focusing on the physical rhythm of a song you can reach more people, but on a much less powerful level.
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby CastielTheFallen » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:44 pm

I feel you need a sense of rhythm to feel the flow of a video. So, yes.
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby BasharOfTheAges » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:52 pm

I'm sure there are a few exceptions on the creation process, but for viewing I always find myself nodding, tapping, or otherwise following the beat in some manner and I find it hard to imagine the editing process without that. I have no music training, have never played an instrument in my life, don't really listen to much of anything, and I don't dance, so I find it hard to say i'm personally musically inclined, but I have too difficult a time grasping just how someone could make something good when they're not "feeling the music" so to speak.
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Vivaldi » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:00 pm

While melody and harmony are certainly just as real and important as rhythm, rhythm, more than either of the other two is related to the temporal aspects of music. In that sense, yes, I think it'd be pretty easy to argue that for editors, rhythm is the most important part of the music.
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Otohiko » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:07 pm

Vivaldi wrote:While melody and harmony are certainly just as real and important as rhythm, rhythm, more than either of the other two is related to the temporal aspects of music. In that sense, yes, I think it'd be pretty easy to argue that for editors, rhythm is the most important part of the music.


As an organization point, yes, but that's no different than for music in general. Editing might be organized visually around rhythm, but for me being able to get a visual feel for non-temporal stuff is just as important. I think it's stupid to ignore the fact that AMVing is very heavily timing-focused, but that's more by history and habit than necessity. Not all types of music videos are as timing-oriented as AMVs, and that sort of does show that other parts of music can (and in my view, should) be just as important.
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Mastamind » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:44 pm

I think really getting into the music is essential... If a song reaches the editor on an emotional level, for example, I think they're much more likely to produce a great video.
I can't imagine editing with a song without "feeling" its rhythm... Though either way, most of the better editors would probably develop that feel by the time they're done with a video.
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby godix » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:23 pm

Most editors seem to focus on the rythem and music sync, but I can think of at least two other ways of doing things offhand.

Otohiko has always seemed to be a more textural editor. He has internal sync and all that, but that's rarely his focus. Instead, his primary focus seems to be building up and supporting a mood rather than simplistic syncing to the beat. For example, most people who edit to Eva use the action scenes and are tightly synced, Oto made the viewer stare at that boring ass beach scene for a minute or two. It works for him, enough so that I can remember Wasteland far better than almost any other Eva vid, but it's clear he doesn't focus on the same things other editors do. Bakadeshi's earlier works also seem to have this textural editing thing going on, but he quickly became just another sync editor.

Almost all of my videos have a message or idea that dictates my scene choice and cuts more than the rhythm does. The idea doesn't have to be complex or deep, usually it isn't, but there's almost always some core theme. For example, in any of my Dedicated to ... vids, the bits I edit are directly related to whoever I was mocking. Some other editors in those MEPS made mostly random stuff that had no real tie to the subject, which is fine and I ain't complaining, but I can't do that. I get totally lost when I don't have some sort of theme to guide me. DokiDoki would be a better and more known example of this than me though. He almost always have a tight focus on a theme that is more important to the vid than musical syncs.

So while almost all editors do pay attention to the music, that doesn't mean that is always the important part. There are other ways of doing things. However, in general, the org has always focused on sync and little else. Almost all our guides and advice to noobs is about syncing, which may be why AMVs tend to be far far more synced than 'real' music videos are. It's actually one of my semi-frequent complaints about the org.
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Megamom » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:55 pm

I think the rhythm is essential for an AMV :amv: ... and yes... an editor has better musical sense than the average human... this means that we are not human :P
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby 8bit_samurai » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:08 pm

godix wrote:So while almost all editors do pay attention to the music, that doesn't mean that is always the important part. There are other ways of doing things. However, in general, the org has always focused on sync and little else. Almost all our guides and advice to noobs is about syncing, which may be why AMVs tend to be far far more synced than 'real' music videos are. It's actually one of my semi-frequent complaints about the org.


I don't think the problem is that the Org focuses too much on sync, it's that editors tend to use the wrong type of sync and/or sync too much or too little. Like you said Oto's Eva vid is memorable because it syncs correctly (or perhaps differently, at least). The most common editor should be able to at least lyric sync and beat sync, and that should be all it takes to make a decent video (aside from quality of the sources). Most mistakes is when the editor doesn't sync enough (i.e. use one episode (or sometimes just one scene) and just slap it on the timeline with some music and call it done), syncs too much (i.e. use a lot of cuts that disrupts the flow of the video), or uses the wrong type of syncs or doesn't use enough of a certain sync in a certain category (i.e. mainly using beat sync and not enough lyric sync in a romance video).

When it comes to music, I think all it takes is to understand the song, the lyrics (if there are any), and its mood. Once an editor does (if they don't already), they should be able to determine how to sync it with the source(s) they have have available.
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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby PaperIsland » Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:41 am

No, you can only be good at one.

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Re: The better the editor, the better he/she is at sex?

Postby Kariudo » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:29 am

godix wrote:So while almost all editors do pay attention to the music, that doesn't mean that is always the important part. There are other ways of doing things. However, in general, the org has always focused on sync and little else. Almost all our guides and advice to noobs is about syncing, which may be why AMVs tend to be far far more synced than 'real' music videos are. It's actually one of my semi-frequent complaints about the org.


Strange, a near complete lack of sync is why I can't watch normal music videos anymore...that and the story and mood told by the music video (if it's not just a random bunch of clips) is either completely wrong or just meh.

Perhaps the reason the guides focus on sync more is because basic sync is both easier to grasp and explain than trying to explain one person's interpretation of a given song (and how to edit to suit that interpretation.) A lack of sync will almost always stick out in a person's mind more than the story conveyed by the video (people like patterns, and if they can't find a pattern...it bugs them.)

Storytelling is more of an enlighten thyself deal. You might be able to coach someone up to a point, but in the end the editor must define their style on their own. So as far as that goes, I do believe someone who can feel the music will probably be a better editor than someone who can't.
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