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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby inthesto » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:20 pm

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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby CastielTheFallen » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:24 pm

I got 20bucks on Ingow.


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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby Koopiskeva » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:51 pm

I also have 20 on Ingow.

Regardless, I apologize for ranting and telling you guys off. Just hate the pointless negativity, but if that's how you roll on the web, then go for it.
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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby mexicanjunior » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:28 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:Regardless, I apologize for ranting and jerking you guys off.


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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby Koopiskeva » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:41 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:Regardless, I apologize for ranting and jerking you guys off.


Fixed...

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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby mexicanjunior » Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:51 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:
mexicanjunior wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:Regardless, I apologize for ranting and jerking you guys off.


Fixed...

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As long as someone is satisfied |:


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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby 8bit_samurai » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:36 pm

Ileia’s videos may not be the best action videos (hell, not even great action videos at that), but that does not make them bad videos. I still enjoy them nevertheless. In my opinion, a GOOD action video is 95% action (which includes but not limited to explosions, gun fights, knife fights, bar fights, cat fights, dog fights, Mexican standoffs, chase sequence/car chases (bonus for fruit carts/stands) inprobable chicken matches, etc. etc.), 4% fanservice (which includes but not limited to T&A, panty shots, cleavage, series fanboy/girlism, music fanboy/girlism fetish fanboy/girlism, etc. etc.), and 1% other (usually to make it distinguishable from other action videos). A GREAT action video is 98% action, 1% fan service, and 1% other. Lack of action does make for a subpar action video, but it doesn’t make a bad video. Bad editing practices do.
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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby lynit » Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:04 am

Kevmaster wrote:drama and romance videos are fucking easy.

And editors have no sense of humour. That's why comedy is a dying breed.


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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby Phantasmagoriat » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:37 pm

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I admit non-random action is usually better, but random action still has it's entertainment value.
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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby outlawed » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:11 pm

Not certain what all this BS about random action is. I get the impression some of you think there are good videos that are "random action." I don't know what you mean by random action. If I define the action category by what I am looking for at ACen's contest (and that's all these categories are good for is to assist judging in contests) then I am looking for something that ignites adrenaline/viewer interest and is focused on things happening through movement, explosion, fights, etc. Action is not created by alteration of footage in most cases. Taking a bunch of closeup character facial shots and then putting a bunch of effects transitions over them to a drum beat is not action. All you have done is create the illusion of something happening. In terms of action that will truly drive viewer enjoyment I would consider it derived from the footage editing but not created by it. Other thematic elements can assist with an action video but if your intent is to tell a story then you have already failed to make a pure action video. This is a common mistake some editors fall into when classifying their video. Also just because you are making an action video does not mean you can't throw some just plain fun or humorous content into it. Action videos do not have to be limited in terms of execution. You don't have to have nothing but cuts, flashes, and explosions. The most important factor where you can go offbase though is the intent. If you want to have thematic story elements or humor in the video then they need to exist to be a framework for action and not the other way around.

The biggest failure most action videos make is what I like to call information overload. If there is too much editing going on and in one pass the average person can't understand what the action sequence taking place was then you have failed..
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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby meleechampion » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:51 am

outlawed wrote:Other thematic elements can assist with an action video but if your intent is to tell a story then you have already failed to make a pure action video. This is a common mistake some editors fall into when classifying their video.


Then what the fuck.
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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby Vax » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:30 am

I like them. I don't find the fact that they're "random" any bad. I once saw this ignorant as fuck comment on this video that said "Nice editing but the video itself was bad" Only because it was random action. That just seems kind of stupid.
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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby Unlimited Rice » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:25 am

Vax wrote:I like them. I don't find the fact that they're "random" any bad. I once saw this ignorant as fuck comment on this video that said "Nice editing but the video itself was bad" Only because it was random action. That just seems kind of stupid.

I don't know what said video is, but I've run into some videos where I thought that, too. Well, I didn't exactly want to word some of the videos themselves as "bad," but I can relate to what that person must be saying. I've seen cases where the editing was pretty nifty and all that, but the video itself didn't mean much of anything outside of the impressive cuts/transitions/effects, so in the grand scheme of things, the result is pretty obvious. I'm sure that person could've explained him/herself a little better to justify themself, too.

I like that there is some good discussion about my favorite genre(Action) in amvs :D
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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby outlawed » Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:47 am

meleechampion wrote:
outlawed wrote:Other thematic elements can assist with an action video but if your intent is to tell a story then you have already failed to make a pure action video. This is a common mistake some editors fall into when classifying their video.


Then what the fuck.


I should clarify this more. A good action video does not have to be 100% non-stop action. As for common mistakes classifying editors often fail to factor intent and delivery but instead think in terms of footage. Kind of like "hrm I think this has a lot of action scenes in it.. I should place this in the action category". There is the flip side of this where someone makes a drama video and it's almost nothing but cuts and action scenes which they say are done in a dramatic mood. But since the video has no underlying cohesion, story, or theme the AMV is basically just another action video.

Please keep in mind the context of contest categories I was writing from in my original post you quoted. I don't think that convention contest categories have ever really existed to help the creators but rather assist classifying content that convention audiences have historically enjoyed. The categories are basically saying send us this stuff because the audience will like it and we can have some level of objective class-based judging.

Take your Gurren Lagann ACen entry (An Armcannon to Pierce the Heavens) for example. I can't remember if you had any notes on it (files not here where I'm typing from) but you had it classified as action. While it has does have lots of action content and I thought there was some humor perfectly worked into the action (the sound effects rap delivery sequences) you have to admit there are some other elements at the end that completely work away from the thing's action tone as a whole.

My idea for a future contest category to more accurately reflect hybrid or experimental works is what I'm currently calling "Freestyle" and it would be for entries whose intent or delivery falls outside of the normal categories. We tagged on "other" this last ACen with the dance/upbeat category as a bandaid solution and ultimately nothing that qualified as "other" was a finalist. I think there were only two or three entries even flagged "other". I was on the right track when suggesting it originally but I think my idea of freestyle category is much better and fixes this. My only worry is people needlessly flagging their video "freestyle" when it's basically action or drama but I think I have a good way of writing this up to limit that.

I've been so deep in the mix maybe I don't see the forest for the trees. We haven't included category detailed descriptions in the ACen rules for some time. But then again a lot of other contests are the same. Perhaps that needs to be corrected by contest coordinators. In my case if the freestyle category goes through I will pretty much need to write them all up regardless.
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Re: Random Action Videos

Postby Bauzi » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:30 pm

If you ask me: We need a tag system for taging the content of our amvs on this site.
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