Back in Business... AMV season is coming?

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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby OtakuForLife » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:16 pm

I hope no one comes to the ORG thinking that AMV making well make there name
a house hold word or have an army of fan girls at there disposal.
I make stuff, I even have
it show at cons on the big screen. Even then people support the video and don't usally hunt
the creators down and thank them in person. If they did that I'd probally die from embrassment
anyway. Getting back to the topic at hand most of us are to busy to release watchable videos
at the rate we used to so we have to save all our chips for con season.
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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby JudgeHolden » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:22 pm

godix wrote: The ironic thing is I've probably just guaranteed that if I ever do met Jasper she's going to beat the ever loving shit out of me.


Don't worry, you're not the only one on that list.

Oh, December 31 is the day to release videos or any time at the end of the year for that matter.

Now, for me, I release them when I release them, because the timing will not stop people from vomiting when they watch one of my vids. :book:
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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby Koopiskeva » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:47 pm

JudgeHolden wrote:Now, for me, I release them when I release them, because the timing will not stop people from vomiting when they watch one of my vids. :book:


What if they just got done with their vomiting session for the day and are tapped out? |:
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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby JudgeHolden » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:53 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:
JudgeHolden wrote:Now, for me, I release them when I release them, because the timing will not stop people from vomiting when they watch one of my vids. :book:


What if they just got done with their vomiting session for the day and are tapped out? |:


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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby jasper-isis » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:00 pm

Scintilla wrote:I think this reaction right here makes a strong case for Godix bringing his avatar back. :P

He (sarcastically) hinted at a general attitude that people have around here, and I replied seriously (and directly) to that idea.  We're both perfectly aware of what we're talking about.

Is sarcasm the only pill that people can swallow these days?  Okay then, let me revise my earlier comment:

Pretend that I wrote:
godix wrote:So what? How can you be a celeb around the org and worshiped by all the noobs and rake in awards if you don't play the system? Why releasing when you're finishing and not worrying about popularity or cons or anything, that's downright sick. Get off the org, you clearly don't fit in here.

Don't worry, I wouldn't dream of desiring such celebrity.  I never accept praise without talking about how it's completely unwarranted or unnecessary.  Every time I get a positive opinion or QC, I flame and ban the idiot member who gave it to me.  If I win an award, I'll call it crap because being deemed good at something by others is obviously a joke.  I meditate every day to purge myself of the filth that is goodwill.  I don't eat because the only nourishment I need is self-satisfaction.  I don't CARE what anyone else thinks.  I haven't actually made a video in years, but it's okay as long as I'm not giving up my precious INTEGRITY. Image


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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby godix » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:35 pm

jasper-isis wrote:
Pretend that I wrote:
godix wrote:So what? How can you be a celeb around the org and worshiped by all the noobs and rake in awards if you don't play the system? Why releasing when you're finishing and not worrying about popularity or cons or anything, that's downright sick. Get off the org, you clearly don't fit in here.

Don't worry, I wouldn't dream of desiring such celebrity.  I never accept praise without talking about how it's completely unwarranted or unnecessary.  Every time I get a positive opinion or QC, I flame and ban the idiot member who gave it to me.  If I win an award, I'll call it crap because being deemed good at something by others is obviously a joke.  I meditate every day to purge myself of the filth that is goodwill.  I don't eat because the only nourishment I need is self-satisfaction.  I don't CARE what anyone else thinks.  I haven't actually made a video in years, but it's okay as long as I'm not giving up my precious INTEGRITY. Image


Hope that's better.

Hey now, I released a video just a few months ago...
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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby Scintilla » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:44 pm

Clarification: when I said that, I meant that it looked to me like people were reading Godix's post and not realizing it was sarcastic because his familiar avatar wasn't there. I didn't mean to imply flipping off of anyone.

I mean, we all know there's no one who's ACTUALLY of the mindset represented by Godix's post, right?


I really hate having to explain what I'd hoped to be quick one-line jokes like this. And for further clarification, just to be safe, I have not been sarcastic in this thread at all yet.
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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby jasper-isis » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:34 pm

Scintilla wrote:I mean, we all know there's no one who's ACTUALLY of the mindset represented by Godix's post, right?

Heh, this is the point of our miscommunication. It depends on what you mean: the mindset that he's describing, or the "real" mindset that he's sarcastically parodying.

The "you should only edit for yourself" mindset definitely exists. Some way or another, it's been institutionalized in this community. And I think it becomes a problem when the idea gets tossed around in pretentious/hostile ways. So I'm just trying to offer a counterpoint whenever I see it pop up, jokingly or not.
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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby godix » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:46 pm

Scintilla wrote:I mean, we all know there's no one who's ACTUALLY of the mindset represented by Godix's post, right?

jasper-isis wrote:It depends on what you mean: the mindset that he's describing, or the "real" mindset that he's sarcastically parodying.

Actually both mindsets exist on the org and if I cared to I could point you to the people that typify them. I'm the extreme example of the 'do it for yourself' side considering the reason I don't release videos anymore (other than obvious jokes) really is that I don't care if others like or even see my work.

The other side does exist as well. There's a method to whoring yourself without being overly obvious you're whoring yourself, I could write a damn guide about it. Hold any video you've made until con season, even if that means you're holding it for over half a year. Pick which major con you want to release to, AWA tends to get more attention but Acen is a popular and much earlier so you don't get lost in the post AWA rush. Check all contests around that time no matter how small to get their submission dates, keeping in mind the trolling rules of the big cons usually allow something another con has shown provided the video was submitted before that other con showed it. With that loophole in mind, spam all the cons you possibly can without getting DQed from the big con. If you're at least halfway decent you'll probably get some awards, small cons usually have few and fairly bad submissions so it isn't hard to win there. These awards look great on a VCA poster by the way. You'll get the attention of the big con crowd as well. Then comes the next part of promotion on the org and top 10% gaming but this is getting long and you can all get my point already.

Fortunately the attention whore side has died down, there used to be a lot of it several years ago but it's far less frequent these days. If you look around you can still find it though.

Anyway, if you take my statements at face value or read into it the 'real' mindset I was putting forth, they both exist although not often at the extremes I painted them as.
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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby surfsama » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:05 pm

So, the drunk walks into the bar holding some dog crap in in his hands and he says to the bartender, "Whoa, look what I almost stepped in". I'm not sure why that came to mind when I read this thread...

Con deadlines are great motivators if that's your goal so I suspect that has something to do with the spring start-ups.

If I can release at least 1 amv at any time of the year I'm danc'in a jig.
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Re: Back in Business... AMV session is coming?

Postby Infinity Squared » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:21 pm

surfsama wrote:Con deadlines are great motivators if that's your goal so I suspect that has something to do with the spring start-ups.


That's a fairly good reason why there's a perceived "release season" around here for videos.

That still in the end returns to the "being recognised" conundrum. There just seems to be such an aversion to admiting that people want attention around here, but this is really the only reason for this need for people to submit to conventions... unless it's for the prizes alone... (why?)...
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At least try to use some data

Postby trythil » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:16 am

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The above chart links to a larger, interactive, and more readable version of the same chart that is updated every 30 seconds.

Until data collection has completed, you may see anomalies; give it some time and they'll work themselves out. Plot is premiere month/year versus percent contribution to all AMVs released on the .org that year. I have excluded years before 2000 because videos with a premiere date before 2000 tend to be backdated from memory and thus have a high probability of being unreliable.

There is also another chart available that plots all years against each other, but I don't recommend it. It's too unreadable to be of any use, in my opinion.

Dataset and full query methodology available upon request.

(Also: the .org developers really need to implement a useful Web services API. Being forced to make 160,000+ HTTP requests and screen-scrape an HTML page to do these sorts of analyses is, to be frank, fucking ridiculous. And, no, a database dump wouldn't be possible. The last two times I asked for one, it took months; and besides, it'd just be a snapshot, not easily updateable.)

Anyway, I think what this shows is that the "con season" phenomenon is slowly dying out; the plot seems to be converging around the 8% mark, which is roughly what you'd get if you had equal contribution from all months of the year.

Or perhaps this means that "con season" is starting to occur all the time, what with people starting up contests and MEPs left and right, and a few of them gaining enough prestige to level out the traditional patterns. Discuss.
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Re: Back in Business... AMV season is coming?

Postby trythil » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:11 am

Well, that was a premature observation.

Around 2006 there's this weird trend shift that I'm not sure how to explain -- incomplete data? different AMV environment? Beats me.
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Re: Back in Business... AMV season is coming?

Postby OtakuForLife » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:55 pm

So what your basically saying is that seasons have given way to smaller events all year
long. Also that with so many MEP's none pulls up the attention like the older ones did.
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Re: Back in Business... AMV season is coming?

Postby trythil » Fri Mar 20, 2009 3:47 pm

OtakuForLife wrote:So what your basically saying is that seasons have given way to smaller events all year
long. Also that with so many MEP's none pulls up the attention like the older ones did.


I retracted that; read the graph.
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