Do you guys frown on fansubs?

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Do you guys frown on fansubs?

Postby Godwin » Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:37 pm

I am curious if you guys dislike fansubs? I know you hate subtitles being in AMV's (so do i) and i have read the guide for removing subs, but i am still curious about your views on using fansubs
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Postby MistyCaldwell » Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:38 pm

hey, you shouldn't post two topics with the same question ya' know 8)
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Postby RichLather » Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:44 pm

To me, fansubs serve a purpose in getting my interest up about a show that has not been released in America, and in some cases it's the only way to get an English version of a show.

But once an American company announces that it plans to release a certain show, fansubs should stop being distributed in deference to the impending American release.

Despite what was said during the State of the Industry panel at Ohayocon, I don't think fansubs' time has passed. While I agree with their saying that almost everything in Japan is licensed for American release but has not yet been announced, they still need the fansub community to drum up interest for shows.
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Postby Chaos Angel » Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:53 pm

I think they are a good way to see if you like a show before you buy it. Kind of like having a trial version of a new program or game before you actually buy the thing. However, I think that you should just buy the series if you're gonna download and keep the whole thing.

As source footage, well, my philosophy is that I'd rather see a video that is made from fansubs but is well thought out and well realized than a video that has absolutely nothing going for it except a visually lovely image. Nice clean images won't help a video that has no thought behind it.
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Postby RichLather » Fri Jan 17, 2003 9:58 pm

I disagree with having fansubs used as source material when they include the subtitles.

There are times--very few times--when including a single scene requires a subtitle to add to the whole video (example is a Grave of the Fireflies video where the girl asks why fireflies must die, and it was subtitled.

Having subs popping up randomly because he background image is appropriate to the song is sloppy and lazy, I think. Hell, I knew that using subs wasn't kosher a decade ago, why change now? Two of my videos had to be made with fansubs ("Learning to Fly" and "In so Many Ways"), and I found enough material around the subtitles to still make a good video. It can be done.
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:02 pm

I just want to point out the irony of how the same people who don't like subs when they are making AMV's are the same people who hate dubs. :wink:
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Postby jonmartensen » Sat Jan 18, 2003 12:24 am

I personally don't get why people dislike dubs. Most dubs are rather good, though there are that group of crap dubs (just saw one on tech TV, don't play crappy anime Tech TV!!!!).
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Postby The Wired Knight » Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:04 am

I have no quals with fansub less they be selling something that has been licensed and released on the american market. For stuff that is only in japan or you just won't ever see here I think fansubs are a godsend.
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Postby rubyeye » Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:09 am

HELL NO!!

Just the badly translated ones.
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Re: Do you guys frown on fansubs?

Postby Knowname » Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:10 am

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Postby Vancore » Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:41 am

Chaos Angel wrote:I think they are a good way to see if you like a show before you buy it. Kind of like having a trial version of a new program or game before you actually buy the thing.


I see it more like free rentals myself. :wink: Although its not like you can waltz into the local blockbuster and rent them (Especially TV series).

On the subject, I don't like to see subs poping up in AMV's unless they're put in for effect (Like that one liner put into 'The truth about Totoro' comes to mind). Just a little bit of subbing will do nicely if used right (Which is usually made instead of taken from a subbed vid). Well those are my thoughts at least. :wink:
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Sat Jan 18, 2003 1:57 am

Actually the last time I was at blockbuster they had the brand new berserk DVD's. eps 14-19. only 5 bucks for a 2 day rental. :?
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Postby CaTaClYsM » Sat Jan 18, 2003 2:03 am

oh btw, I would just like to add that I get the feeling that evan a good video made with fansubs would get a person flamed right out of the boards.
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Postby Zarxrax » Sat Jan 18, 2003 2:53 am

I really don't see a reason why anyone would use fansubs, unless its an EXTREMELY rare title that just doesnt hardly exist anywhere else. It's not all that hard to find raw footage. Now people will come up and tell you you shouldn't use downloaded footage at all because it sucks, but hey, if you dont tell them you used downloaded footage, then 97% of the people here wouldn't even know. Now of course dvd is better (and harder to work with), it just depends how far you're willing to go for quality.
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Postby Chao » Sat Jan 18, 2003 6:46 pm

Personally I think fansubs are OK until they start being released, as opposed to when they are announced, (in the case of Nelvana picking it up until another company releases a decent version).
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