For U.S. citizens: Requested DMCA exemption for AMVs, etc.

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For U.S. citizens: Requested DMCA exemption for AMVs, etc.

Postby trythil » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:29 pm

From your friends Fred von Lohmann and Jennifer S. Granick at the EFF, a DMCA exemption request sent directly to the U.S. Copyright Office.

http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2008/comm ... n-fred.pdf

Page 16 specifically mentions vidding and AMVs as examples of "an established remix community that relies on clips from DVDs".

As written, I'm not sure if the requested exemption is general enough; many AMVs (and works of vidding for that matter) do a lot more than mere "extraction". But even if this exemption turns out to not encompass all AMVs, it's a real start.

I'm not sure what you can specifically do to make that exemption go through, though obviously "write letters to your Senator", "suggest stuff via change.gov", and stuff like that are always options.
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Postby Koopiskeva » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:30 pm

:up: for :amv:

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Postby trythil » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:37 pm

Actually --

I'm not really sure if this requested exemption does anything for AMVs; one has to remember that most copyrights for anime are registered in Japan. This exemption does a lot of good for vidders using sources owned by U.S. copyright holders (obviously) but AMVs, well, dunno. The situation gets more complicated if you consider that some AMVers turn to imported DVDs and strip the region restrictions off.

I don't know enough about Japanese, U.S., and international copyright law to say what happens in cases like that.

Still, though, encouraging.
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Postby kmv » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:36 pm

I note that there is nothing in there about the music - only the clips taken from DVD. Vogue is mentioned but only as an example, and no attempt is made to request that the music be exempted too.

A positive start though.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:00 pm

it would be nice :3
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Postby Chaobunny12 » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:30 pm

That would be awesome, if something like that went through. I don't feel like making an AMV deserved to be called a crime, it's not like we're making a profit off of it. Videos are just for enjoyment.
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Postby JudgeHolden » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:02 pm

The Anime and Movie industries have never been the ones that scare me .... it's the music industry we have to worry about. :book:
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Postby Infinity Squared » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:41 pm

This was quite an informative read and certainly highlights something to me that though I probably knew, it was something I didn't quite clearly realise and that being that there's just far too many things/issues out there wanting to trample on the things we do.

As if we didn't have enough to worry about the music industry and the film/animation industry and their copyright war against us, there's also of course these things which can be construed as attacking us from a different angle, that being through making ripping an illegal act. Add to that the other issues like internet censorship and whatever other nasties the big money people want to impose on us and it really does become worrying.

Three and a half minutes of music and video seems so expensive.
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Postby Fire_Starter » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:50 pm

The DMCA needs to be done away with once and for all. This little comment snip from the Slashdot discussion says it all, I think.
Think about that -- it is a federal crime to crack the DRM. It's merely a civil offense to redistribute the music. One goes on your record, the other doesn't. WTF?!

There's something inherently wrong with a law that makes you guilty of a felony just by the mere act of ripping a DVD to your computer. Or in the case of Linux users, for just taking steps necessary to WATCH the damned thing. What's next, felony charges for using a "non-trusted" OS (i.e. Windows)?
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Postby Voices_Of_Ryan » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:27 am

It's going to be illegal now, 10 years from now and forever to take something that was made by someone else and repackedge it for a group entertainment value without the copywriters consent.

Get it outta your head that this'll ever be legal guys... It won't.
If it ever becomes legal, i'm going to a blockbuster and taking every copy of every dvd home, ripping it on the pc, cutting a scene out and putting new music behind it. Then putting it online as a "new" movie.
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Postby Otohiko » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:32 am

Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:It's going to be illegal now, 10 years from now and forever to take something that was made by someone else and repackedge it for a group entertainment value without the copywriters consent.

Get it outta your head that this'll ever be legal guys... It won't.
If it ever becomes legal, i'm going to a blockbuster and taking every copy of every dvd home, ripping it on the pc, cutting a scene out and putting new music behind it. Then putting it online as a "new" movie.


You certainly have a high opinion of what goes into AMVing :amv:
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Postby Megamom » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:33 am

We'll be artists .... XD
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Postby Voices_Of_Ryan » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:16 pm

Otohiko wrote:
Voices_Of_Ryan wrote:It's going to be illegal now, 10 years from now and forever to take something that was made by someone else and repackedge it for a group entertainment value without the copywriters consent.

Get it outta your head that this'll ever be legal guys... It won't.
If it ever becomes legal, i'm going to a blockbuster and taking every copy of every dvd home, ripping it on the pc, cutting a scene out and putting new music behind it. Then putting it online as a "new" movie.


You certainly have a high opinion of what goes into AMVing :amv:


Come on Otohiko you know me better than that.
I have a very high opinion of amving but... sometimes theres a point in simplicity (the dumbing down of a statement).
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Postby Otohiko » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:23 pm

Sure, I know. But you also have to realize that the idea of "intellectual property" as is being enforced by DMCA and the like is a very artificial and historically-unfounded one. Certainly there is room and reasonable ways for defining remix-art as distinct and tolerable - and it's not like we're trying to make bucks off of that either.
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Postby Voices_Of_Ryan » Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:53 pm

Otohiko wrote:Sure, I know. But you also have to realize that the idea of "intellectual property" as is being enforced by DMCA and the like is a very artificial and historically-unfounded one. Certainly there is room and reasonable ways for defining remix-art as distinct and tolerable - and it's not like we're trying to make bucks off of that either.


Money or not, we're still taking something that wasn't ours to begin with. I feel like artists have always been prosicuted and 50% of the time it was probably because they did something wrong whether or not they thought it was wrong.

So while I agree we're artist in the best sense of the word. I have to admit that if I go to the walmart parking lot and spraypaint on it a portriat of a famous person. Even though the ground is "Technicly" ours (as humans) it's still a goverment given property and not ours in the laws terms.
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