Which is harder to pull off...

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Which is harder to pull off...

Postby CaTaClYsM » Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:02 am

A. A video with alot of effect's. (Something like engel with the lip sych or tainted donuts.)

B. A video that is deeply emotionaly moving or dramatic. (Can't think of any.)
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Re: Which is harder to pull off...

Postby Beowulf » Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:14 am

CaTaClYsM wrote:A. A video with alot of effect's. (Something like engel with the lip sych or tainted donuts.)

B. A video that is deeply emotionaly moving or dramatic. (Can't think of any.)


B definitly.

Effects are pretty cut and dry in that respect. A beat hit is either on or its off. The lip synching is either on or its off. Vash is on Mars or he isn't.

But creating a mood is so incredibly painstaking. There are so many variables in the problem. Pacing, Camera Movement, Timing, etcetra. If your trying to make people sad, it either is a grand success or it fails miserably. There is no "well thats sad, kinda maybe sorta". If everything is completely perfect, than its a sucess, but if theres even one thing wrong, you snap people out of the mood you have crated and now there paying attention to a flaw instead of the video.

At least thats how I'm justifying my 6000 trillion hours spent on my new vid so far. :!:
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Postby Koopiskeva » Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:28 am

Both in the same video.
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Postby Beowulf » Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:30 am

Koopiskeva wrote:Both in the same video.


I feel a link comming on!
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Postby Koopiskeva » Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:36 am

Beowulf wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:Both in the same video.


I feel a link comming on!


So do I..

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... php?v=6898

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Postby Beowulf » Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:38 am

Koopiskeva wrote:
Beowulf wrote:
Koopiskeva wrote:Both in the same video.


I feel a link comming on!


So do I..

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... php?v=6898

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ZING!

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Postby Koopiskeva » Sun Jan 12, 2003 3:40 am

And I'm spent... :wink:
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Postby Dannywilson » Sun Jan 12, 2003 4:10 am

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Postby Ashton » Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:08 am

A.
Since square one I have been going after emotional effect, and its finally coming around, but getting at those effects is illusive to me. The problem for me is that I dont even know where to start. You can go at it two ways, you can think of what you want and then try to produce it, or you can go to the program, see what you can do, and then hunt down a concept based on that.
Obviously going for the concept afterward is somewhat rediculous, the video will end up centered around effects that will probably over the top and inapropriate. But at the same time, any time I come up with a concept for an effects based video, I go to my editing software and start blankly at the screen for half an hour until I give up. The software I use just isnt powerful enough (or I dont know how to use it well enough) to capture the images in my head. I suppose if I worked at it harder I might come to the some kind of happy medium where I can use effects but it still doesnt quit look like what I was thinking of.
Making someone feel emotion is a matter of picking the right song and the right anime and keeping your editing from getting in the way. Making someones heart race as the effects pound the beat into your chest is a matter of hitting the right beat, making the right change, choosing the right feel, and hitting the right movement, all at exactly the right time, over and over and over again. I could be wrong, but thats my opinion.
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Postby MistyCaldwell » Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:50 am

B is a lot harder to do successfully. A will take more manual effort but is a lot easier to come up with.

I am impressed by the Utena video Nightowl did in which he did both really well. The planning of the scenes must have taken a lot more thought but the effects look like they required some planning as well. That isn't a flash to the beat video though. It is multiple scene sometimes on the screen at once.

Maybe if he happens across this thread he'll say something.

Tainted Donuts is another one I think the work was pretty darn hard but getting shots together between the two anime certainly wouldn't have been a calk walk.
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Postby Ashton » Sun Jan 12, 2003 7:59 am

MistyCaldwell wrote:I am impressed by the Utena video Nightowl did in which he did both really well. The planning of the scenes must have taken a lot more thought but the effects look like they required some planning as well. That isn't a flash to the beat video though. It is multiple scene sometimes on the screen at once.

But there were things in that video that really ruined the mood (IE flowers placed over on of the characters crotch and nipples during a very serious scene.) I agree that the video is powerful, but there were some careless errors, and I could have done without all of the lip synching.
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Postby MistyCaldwell » Sun Jan 12, 2003 8:07 am

Actually, I first enjoyed it as a comedy video. I couldn't help but laugh at a bunch of parts.

I'm not saying it's powerful or a flop, I just think it took a lot of effort to make it look ...right. It looks right to me. I've seen other videos that use bars or have multiple scenes on at once and they felt like the creator just said 'weeeeeee' and grabbed and spliced clips that had the character they wanted to show.

Overlays that use scenes that don't meld well are just as bad.

I still think it is a good example of effort on both points. My personal opinion of it, I liked it, but more so the more I watched it and paid attention to the editing.
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Postby mexicanjunior » Sun Jan 12, 2003 11:44 am

A is harder for me but that's because I am effects inept. :?
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Postby The Wired Knight » Sun Jan 12, 2003 12:43 pm

B, because B requires a response from the viewers, and you can NEVER predict how they will react.
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Postby Chaos Angel » Sun Jan 12, 2003 1:33 pm

I would say that it is more difficult to create and maintain a certain mood in the video. However, effects aren't necessarily easy. Both require planning to ensure that they work properly and don't crap out at a key section of the video.
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