Old School editing vs seizuretiffic and effects

[Kitsuner]

To me, the only 2 types of sync that everything branches from is beat sync and lyrical sync. All the branches are just different forms of type of sync its being branched from.

Besides that, I really didn’t even word the first line on my first post all that well anyway. I meant the anime should correlate with the beat of a song or lyrics in some how or some way, if it doesn't then i fail to see the point of even making it in the first place. Since I consider "Melodic motion" under the beat sync category, I wasn't limiting that out in any way.

The only limits, if any from my first statement, are the types of amv's you feel like you are watching a random TV channel and listening to music at the same time. I don't find them enjoyable in the least.

Please I would like you to tell me exactly what is the Lyric or Beat synch in this video?

Since AMVs can only have 2 types of synch, Beat or lyric Synch, you should easily be able to give me time stamps where BMA shows beat and/or lyric synch in this video.

K, so first of all, every player I've played it in has no audio and after reading the video comments I found out why. If the point of you showing it to me was the fact that it had no audio then I dont understand... Seriously... How can you call it an anime music video if it lacks Music to begin with. Furthermore you basically ruined your chance at proving a point by calling it "Video" and then in the next sentence using "AMVs". Doesn't that contradict your own view?

See, it all depends on how "music" is defined.

[dwchang]

Since AMVs can only have 2 types of synch, Beat or lyric Synch...

I don't know if you were being sarcastic, but I don't believe that's the case. I believe there is a more overarching thing called "Flow" which is not necessarily either (although can include them).

There are a few videos I LOVE that have excellent flow and don't use either of the most common forms of sync. It's hard to describe and easier to show (which I do at panels) . It's basically using the actual music beyond the lyrics or dominant beats. Like perhaps a non-obvious instrument, the WAY lyrics are sung, etc.

Trythil's example of perhaps moving a camera upward to a harp playing an upward melody is an example.

...again I don't know if you were more or less being sarcastic and somewhat saying the same thing >_>

[Sub0]

it's more lyrical than lyrical (more like your following the MOOD the song induces rather than the actual words spoken), but it's still lyrical sync. It's not like the lyrics don't matter. take my 7mb Karin video here, to attain melodic motion I DID have to follow the lyrics to a certain extent. If the band (Maroon 5) had been singing about something totally different or left out the words all together it would have come out with a VERY different mood.

In the end you can say there is mood/ melody/ flow that depends on straight lyrical sinc, but you CANNOT say that straight lyrical sync denotes mood/ melody/ flow... I mean, just take your typical fanboy/ fangirl music video (ie Linkinball)

NOW! (and because I haven't pimped enough of my music videos today -_- must follow quotta -_-) you cannot say that beat sync is free from mood/ melody either! It's basically the same story, you can only feel it out, but regardless it is ONLY obtained through the use of beat sync. Again I make use of fanboy/ fangirl music video (ie Linkinball), beat sinc with no attention to the mood is just... hollow somehow.

That being so it is kinda' hard to say that there is only beat and lyrical, BUT it is also hard to say neither is related to flow.

*In the end... I'm just not really sure what I'm saying but... it sounds kinda' right?? lol*

[Yok/0]

It's something just trying to be way too damn arty, and should not be considered an anime music video, it's just a normal arty piece, and to call this an AMV means that the definition of an AMV is so incredibly vague, that I could film a clip of an anime with my cell phone, and reduce it to one pixel, and then talk about computer chips and thier ability to produce images, and then put some static to it.

Incoming shitstorm.

So be it; that's my opinion, if it offends people, they need a reality check, it's just a message board.

A shit storm indeed, Otbwavelength. As you read this i'm sure everyone who supports the seizure sensation effects of amvs is grabbing their Kooptangles to beat you with and defend themselves with their Hexagons.

I've read threads and more threads of this same topic but i just can't seem to help myself thinking that when people keep talking about taking amvs "to the next level". It just about sounds like a bad DBZ dialogue to me..

AMVS are not fucking caligraphy :/. Caligraphy at least gets PAID anyway and didn't have to STEAL the pens or ink to make it so. Lesbian Graffiti in the women's bathroom is more art than any of our amvs : /.[/spoiler]

[Rapture**]

AMVS are not fucking caligraphy :/. Caligraphy at least gets PAID anyway and didn't have to STEAL the pens or ink to make it so. Lesbian Graffiti in the women's bathroom is more art than any of our amvs : /.

LIES!!!! *runs away crying*

*returns*

I agree that AMVs aren't art - but I think it's just an artistic way to create. Just like artist each artist has his own style (not to count copycats),each AMV editor has his own artistic style too(again,not to count copycats). We can't call AMV editing a real art,but we can call it artistic creativeness. In other words - some kind of art.

And to get closer to the point of the topic - 'Seizuretiffic and Effects' would be like 'Modern Art' , and 'Old School' would be 'Classic Art'.

[JaddziaDax]

Lesbian Graffiti in the women's bathroom is more art than any of our amvs : /.

this makes me wonder what you were doing in the women's bathroom O:

[Tash]

wtf dumb logic

[Yok/0]

Lesbian Graffiti in the women's bathroom is more art than any of our amvs : /.

this makes me wonder what you were doing in the women's bathroom O:

Some how I knew you would be the one to say that .

Sry about the 3x post btw.


Rapture**

And to get closer to the point of the topic - 'Seizuretiffic and Effects' would be like 'Modern Art' , and 'Old School' would be 'Classic Art'.

Time to find a new hobby then if your "Classic Art" is gonna be old news just to make room for the Kooptangles, and Decotacons. I'd rather be primitive than to givie a 12 year old a seizure attack if he was trying to look closely for subliminal messages. At that time u'll see these seizure amvs at "art" when I'll be using it as a weapon of tortue vision for the epileptic.

[Rapture**]

Time to find a new hobby then if your "Classic Art" is gonna be old news just to make room for the Kooptangles, and Decotacons. I'd rather be primitive than to givie a 12 year old a seizure attack if he was trying to look closely for subliminal messages. At that time u'll see these seizure amvs at "art" when I'll be using it as a weapon of tortue vision for the epileptic.

I've already created something like that :

2007-05-21 15:05:05
Please put something on your video about epilepsy and stuffs.

I really wish I wouldn't create that..

As I said - I'm not calling it 'Art',I'm just saying that it's kind of 'Artistic'. And I wasn't reffering to it directly calling it 'Modern' or 'Classic'. I'm just saying that actually bigger part of viewers prefer seizuretiffic AMVs,which I don't really like myself. Even when talking not about AMVs,but about life-action movies,etc. - now that they've started to release those "fx-looks-just-like-real-stuff" movies,most people started to like effects and stuff like that. I like classical stuff,and sometimes love to watch some new teen movies,but actually of all those new movies,the ones I really enjoy to watch is "Harry Potter",and "Lord Of The Rings",but that is because I've read those books and I love 'em.

Now to get back to the topic : calling it 'art' or not is not right. We may only call it sort of 'artistic expression'. And even with that - each person has his own point of view,and it's up to each person to call it 'art' or not. It's not like we can decide for everyone,but it's more like we decide for ourselves,and they decide for themselves. Saying we I meant each individual in our community,and by saying them I meant people who are not here,that means any person out there outside of this site,or any AMV community at all.

[CrackTheSky]

Now to get back to the topic : calling it 'art' or not is not right.

Actually, this isn't the topic at all