Simplicity vs. Frills: What makes good editing?

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Postby ayanami_soul » Thu Jan 02, 2003 12:25 am

8) a bit of column "A" and a bit of column "B"
effects are fun when used appropriately....certain themes don't need all out effects..ever seen a romantic amv that went all out on effects? not too many get away with it...BASICALLY IN MY OPINION...PPL ARE JUST GONNA SAY ONE OR THE OTHER BASED ON ABILITY AND PAST EXPERIENCE....
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Re: Simplicity vs. Frills: What makes good editing?

Postby TaranT » Thu Jan 02, 2003 3:22 am

BishounenStalker wrote:What makes better editing in your opinion? Good timing or use of special effects?


(1) Can you make a good AMV without any special effects?. Answer: yes, it's been done many times.

(2) Can you make a good AMV without good timing? Probably not. At least I've never seen one. But there are borderline (composite?) projects like "Failed Experiments" which might be the exception to the rule.

To pursue this any deeper, I think you're going to need clear definitions of "special effects" and "good timing". There are differing opinions of both.
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Re: Simplicity vs. Frills: What makes good editing?

Postby AbsoluteDestiny » Thu Jan 02, 2003 4:32 am

TaranT wrote:But there are borderline (composite?) projects like "Failed Experiments" which might be the exception to the rule.


Failed Exp has good timing.

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Re: Simplicity vs. Frills: What makes good editing?

Postby TaranT » Thu Jan 02, 2003 4:54 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:
TaranT wrote:But there are borderline (composite?) projects like "Failed Experiments" which might be the exception to the rule.


Failed Exp has good timing.

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Definitely...but in sections, not as a whole...which is what I meant by the "composite". (Although, again, it depends on what "good timing" means: simply hitting beats with scene changes, or flowing (?) with the overall rhythm of the music?).

Maybe FE is not the best example. There is at least theoretically the project which might not even be a true music video...something which is heavily story-driven, a skit, a wordy parody...something where music is inserted in bits and pieces...where timing is not important or expected.

Whatever, this sort of gets away from my main point, which is that timing is necessary, but effects are not.

BTW, EK's "Render!!" scene is always fun, but a little ambiguous to those of us who don't use Premiere.

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Postby Kai Stromler » Thu Jan 02, 2003 9:24 am

My obligatory $0.02, though this topic has been pretty well explored, and there's probably nothing new here.

EDIT IS LAW. If you do not a) select good footage and b) arrange it competently, there is no amount of special effects in the world that can save your video. Nightowl has it right a little further up; any effect applied is just a transform or series of transforms applied to the frames of your video. It affects the footage, but does not replace it. You can't use effects to turn Goldfish Warning or The Ultimate Teacher into Ghost In The Shell.

Two semirelated tangents:
1) Didn't we have this conversation before in like August or September? I seem to remember such. Or is this a quarterly-recurring sort of question that I don't recognize correctly because I haven't been around the forums long enough?
2) Way back early in my career when I was so hardcore anti-effects that I wouldn't use crossfades I defined a type of 'perfect' AMV as one that put a single cut with a single song, and required no editing to work well; perfection in concept and song/video selection to the degree that no editing is required. The opposite of this would be the 'perfect' video where it merely *looks* as though this is the case to the observer foreign to the anime: perfect transparency on the editor's part through ultimate skill, as well as genius of concept. And I ask: has either of these been achieved? Would such a video under either caption be interesting as more than a curiosity?

Do normal people even think about stuff like this?

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Postby dokidoki » Thu Jan 02, 2003 10:16 am

Kai Stromler wrote:I defined a type of 'perfect' AMV as one that put a single cut with a single song, and required no editing to work well

I've heard that the Happy Days theme song goes really well with the Assemble Insert OP.
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Postby Nightowl » Thu Jan 02, 2003 11:08 am

"Failed Experiments" is more like a short film than a music video. There's a BIG difference there. It's about flow, not sync. And there is still no such thing as "timing."

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Postby epic minds » Thu Jan 02, 2003 5:20 pm

A good video doesn't need fancy effects.

A solid concept makes a good video regardless of what gimmicks one chooses to use.

Both of these are true but,

Won't the need for special effects be proportional to how creative the idea is?

When i say special effects, i mean more than just cheezy transitions and simple compositiong.

One of my quams with most music videos is their simplicity. Although there is nothing wrong with simplicity, when you have 50 to 100 AMVs of the same series, whatever made one "simply edited video" unique gets repeated and lost in all the other videos that were edited in the same manner.

What makes an AMV unique is the concept. But what makes that concept unique and truly stand out are the se of effects.
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