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Postby RadicalEd0 » Thu Dec 26, 2002 9:35 pm

ohh so heres the dealies :O
you guys can download the stuff on kazaa and use it awhile, but NOT before I post this nifty little thing which will convert the mp3 to wav and resample from 23.976 to 24fps (gimme a few minutes)

as for specs. The projects must be submitted at full resolution 720x480 24 fps video. You will NOT need to submit audio unless you choose to edit parts of those damn repetitive songs out, in which case you'll have to send us your uncompressed edited version of the song with the finished video.
For editing, do like the guides say and IVTC your video and then speed up to 24fps with assumefps(24). I'll have all this stuff and any more info that might be needed on the website when ashton sets it up. Anyway no rush with any of it really, just a heads up to those who want to start now.

I'll post again in a few minutes with the program you'll need if you're going to use downloaded music to get a head start.
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Postby Ashton » Thu Dec 26, 2002 9:49 pm

BTW, I just wanted to give my current head/dibs count list and make sure there are no errors in it:

0. Ashton - Victim of Gravity
1. NME
2. Heero_Yuy84 - Nervous System
3. NicholasDWolfwood
4. Mexicanjunior - Interplanet Janet
5. Sidicas - Electricity, Electricity
6. SpPanda
7. Yggdrasil - Interjections!
8. Tom the Fish - Noun Song
9. Pwolf
10. RadicalEd0 - Zero
11. M0rgan - Verb Song
12. IratusAngelus - Ready or Not, Here I Come
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Postby mexicanjunior » Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:20 pm

RadicalEd0 wrote:ohh so heres the dealies :O
you guys can download the stuff on kazaa and use it awhile, but NOT before I post this nifty little thing which will convert the mp3 to wav and resample from 23.976 to 24fps (gimme a few minutes)

as for specs. The projects must be submitted at full resolution 720x480 24 fps video. You will NOT need to submit audio unless you choose to edit parts of those damn repetitive songs out, in which case you'll have to send us your uncompressed edited version of the song with the finished video.
For editing, do like the guides say and IVTC your video and then speed up to 24fps with assumefps(24). I'll have all this stuff and any more info that might be needed on the website when ashton sets it up. Anyway no rush with any of it really, just a heads up to those who want to start now.

I'll post again in a few minutes with the program you'll need if you're going to use downloaded music to get a head start.


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Ummm...can I just edit together some clips. :oops:
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Postby Ashton » Thu Dec 26, 2002 10:36 pm

mexicanjunior wrote: :shock:

Ummm...can I just edit together some clips. :oops:


Not only are you allowed to, you are encouraged to as well. Most of the point of all this is so that we can get the audio situation right. This is probably the LEAST technicly tricky of all of the projects so far, so Ed and I are kind of lucky. As for you, Ed will be posting shortly with what you need to do if you are going to Download your source/want to get started right away. BTW, is that what your trying to do?
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Postby mexicanjunior » Thu Dec 26, 2002 11:00 pm

Ashton wrote:
mexicanjunior wrote: :shock:

Ummm...can I just edit together some clips. :oops:


Not only are you allowed to, you are encouraged to as well. Most of the point of all this is so that we can get the audio situation right. This is probably the LEAST technicly tricky of all of the projects so far, so Ed and I are kind of lucky. As for you, Ed will be posting shortly with what you need to do if you are going to Download your source/want to get started right away. BTW, is that what your trying to do?


Nah, I have the DVD source I need. ^_^ That paragraph of technical stuff just flew over my head though. :shock:
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Postby Ashton » Thu Dec 26, 2002 11:05 pm

mexicanjunior wrote:Nah, I have the DVD source I need. ^_^ That paragraph of technical stuff just flew over my head though. :shock:

No, I was talking about the audio source, not the video source.
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Fri Dec 27, 2002 12:24 am

Okok, I got the program done and up

For those starting early (before ashton has the dvd source for the songs):

http://digitalinsanity.ath.cx/~tab/SHR_ ... verter.zip

Ed's simple guide to using this converter:

Open mp3 of song downloaded from kazaa
Save wav file somewhere
Hit convert


If you get an error message when trying to start the program its because you dont have Visual Basic installed on your system. In such a case you'll want to download the dll here:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/ ... n60sp5.exe

Note: this is not some random every day converter, I made it specifically for converting mp3s to wave and resampling from 23.976 to 24fps. Its really just a GUI for those two functions of BeSweet. Its there so that you guys can start working awhile but dont have to worry about the audio source. Load the mp3, convert, and edit with the resulting wav.


As for the video source. As I said, projects have to be submitted as 720x480 24fps. So really all you'll need in your avisynth scripts are:

mpeg2source("D:\project.d2v")
Telecide()
Decimate(mode=5)
assumefps(24)

No resizing.
And thats about it for now. Good luck those starting early but remember you dont have to :\
and if you plan to edit parts out of your song you'll have to wait until we have the source songs in a few weeks.
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Postby trythil » Fri Dec 27, 2002 12:47 am

I guess I'll give this project a try -- the worst thing that could happen is that my section is eclipsed by the greatness of everyone else working on the thing.

I can't really promise a delivery date: schoolwork comes first. I guess it's a good thing you don't really have a specific date in mind ;)

What format do you want the final product in? I usually export in some YUV derivative in a QuickTime file for further processing. I'm assuming, however, that you guys (understandably) do not want to deal with multi-gigabyte non-AVI files.

Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but I've never done a group project before, nor am I using the same editing platform as others in this project...
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Fri Dec 27, 2002 1:02 am

I still have to set a definite final submission format, but I'm thinking either XviD avi encoded at Quant 1 or Quant 2 if 1 is too big (have to double check that)
Since some of the songs are 3 minutes long huffyuv is probably too much to ask :\


speaking of which the final product is DVD bound, which is why the stuff has to be submitted at 720x480 24fps (we'll convert it to 23.976 for the final DVD) and also why we decided to get the DVD audio source instead of CD (lossless transfer of audio. With the CDs we'd have had to upsample to 48khz and encode to ac3 or mp2). This way if people don't edit the song at all the original ac3 off the DVD can be used. If they do decide to edit the song we can either re-encode to ac3 or just put the uncompressed pcm on the disc (dvd supports pcm audio)

now that you're all confused I'm going to bed :p
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Postby trythil » Fri Dec 27, 2002 1:07 am

RadicalEd0 wrote: This way if people don't edit the song at all the original ac3 off the DVD can be used. If they do decide to edit the song we can either re-encode to ac3 or just put the uncompressed pcm on the disc (dvd supports pcm audio)


Can we do multi-channel audio effects if we want, or do you want to keep this simple? :)
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Fri Dec 27, 2002 1:10 am

nah the dvd audio is 2.0 ac3 according to amazon.com
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Postby Ashton » Fri Dec 27, 2002 2:23 am

RadicalEd0 wrote:nah the dvd audio is 2.0 ac3 according to amazon.com

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Eds answer is wrong.

Truth is, it has 5.1 surround sound aswell. Thank you for playing.
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Postby Sidicas » Fri Dec 27, 2002 4:29 am

RadicalEd0 wrote:http://digitalinsanity.ath.cx/~tab/SHR_Audio_Converter.zip

Link no work!
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Postby Ashton » Fri Dec 27, 2002 4:42 am

Sidicas wrote:
RadicalEd0 wrote:http://digitalinsanity.ath.cx/~tab/SHR_Audio_Converter.zip

Link no work!


Aw, for crying out loud... Ed.. what are you doing? Ill take care of this in the morning.
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Postby Ashton » Fri Dec 27, 2002 5:27 am

Grrr... I just found a new problem with using the DVD audio. It seems that along with the songs on the DVD audio tracks, they also have the sounds from the cartoon. So I put this to your vote, do you think you would like to use existing cartoon noise like a trailer, or would you rather use clean songs?
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