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Postby Luke Valentine » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:34 pm

I don't believe I'm in a ludicrous position at all, I'm just pointing certain things out. I've made a choice to not put money into anime I may not like, and I've downloaded anime illegally, although that is my choice and I do not associate it with this site at all, but that is not relevant to this topic. Unless you want to point fingers for acting illegally, in which case 'people in glass houses should not throw stones'.


Trust me Panda, you're in a "ludicrous" posistion. Unless being bent over a table and fucking yourself over seems like a normal posistion to you.

By even MENTIONING that you're getting your anime illegally, you associate it with this site. No one's "pointing fingers" at anyone for acting illegally, because pointing fingers refers to "accusing" and since you admitted your sources are illegal, we're past "accusing". Furthermore, not only are you associating your pirated anime with this site through your words, you're posting videos MADE with the illegal sources. You didn't "make a choice" jackass, you went for the easy way out. Cheap bastard.
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Postby JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:38 pm

Luke Valentine wrote:Trust me Panda, you're in a "ludicrous" posistion. Unless being bent over a table and fucking yourself over seems like a normal posistion to you.

By even MENTIONING that you're getting your anime illegally, you associate it with this site. No one's "pointing fingers" at anyone for acting illegally, because pointing fingers refers to "accusing" and since you admitted your sources are illegal, we're past "accusing". Furthermore, not only are you associating your pirated anime with this site through your words, you're posting videos MADE with the illegal sources. You didn't "make a choice" jackass, you went for the easy way out. Cheap bastard.


The hell are you talking about!? I've never and will never make an AMV from downloaded footage. If I did I wouldn't upload it here out of respect for Phade's rules. I realised that by mentioning that here I associated the site with illegal footage, and I apologise for the mention in one post. But other than that, your talking crap.
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Postby Luke Valentine » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:42 pm

Hey, I'm done with this. This topic no longer appeals to me. I see that no one will give up either side. So thanks for a few minutes of fun. But i'm done with this.
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Postby JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:46 pm

Luke Valentine wrote:Hey, I'm done with this. This topic no longer appeals to me. I see that no one will give up either side. So thanks for a few minutes of fun. But i'm done with this.


Heh, love the 'tactical retreat' when shown as blatantly wrong. Although I agree it doesn't look like either side is going, at any time, to suddenly realise the other's P.O.V. and instantly agree with it, I'm just standing up for my opinions when they are considered 'ludicrous' or when I've been falsely accused.
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Postby Luke Valentine » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:48 pm

Whoa whoa whoa there Panda. Tactical retreat? No no. I wasn't "proven wrong" I was right. This is just a ridiculous arguement, especially since we're so off topic. So I decided it was no longer worth my time.
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Postby Luke Valentine » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:49 pm

Luke Valentine doesn't "retreat".
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Postby JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:52 pm

Luke Valentine wrote:Whoa whoa whoa there Panda. Tactical retreat? No no. I wasn't "proven wrong" I was right. This is just a ridiculous arguement, especially since we're so off topic. So I decided it was no longer worth my time.


My downloading of illegal anime is unrelated to this site, my mention may be taken as association, if you want to be picky. But you went off and accused me of using downloaded footage and uploading it to this site against the rules of Phade. Which I never said I had, and after telling you how wrong you were, you were like 'I can't be bothered'.
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Postby kthulhu » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:54 pm

Wouldn't "my illegal downloading of anime" be more grammatically correct in the context you're using? Unless you're downloading pedo-shit.

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Postby Luke Valentine » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:54 pm

My point my have been exaggerated, but it's still legitamite, and so is yours. So let's drop this here. it has nothing to do with this topic. And it's becoming spam.
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Postby JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Mon Dec 23, 2002 6:57 pm

Luke Valentine wrote:My point my have been exaggerated, but it's still legitamite, and so is yours. So let's drop this here. it has nothing to do with this topic. And it's becoming spam.


Well, you've already deemed this topic inapropriate to this site, so without spam it'd be dead. As I said, I'm only sticking up for my own opinions. And weren't you supposed to have left 4 posts ago? :roll:

And I don't see how what I said was grammatically incorrect, and I don't see how it's related to 'pedo shit'. :shock:
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Postby kthulhu » Mon Dec 23, 2002 7:09 pm

JustAnOrdinaryPanda wrote:My downloading of illegal anime is unrelated to this site


That statement, taken out of context, can be read to make it seem like you download "illegal anime", i.e. anime of questionable or illegal grade content. Like pedo-shit.

Whereas "my illegal downloading of anime" is neutral, taken out of context, and conveys your point (that you download anime, illegally) better.

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Postby JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Mon Dec 23, 2002 7:10 pm

kthulhu wrote:
JustAnOrdinaryPanda wrote:My downloading of illegal anime is unrelated to this site


That statement, taken out of context, can be read to make it seem like you download "illegal anime", i.e. anime of questionable or illegal grade content. Like pedo-shit.

Whereas "my illegal downloading of anime" is neutral, taken out of context, and conveys your point (that you download anime, illegally) better.

Just my thoughts on grammar.


Oh yeah! Heh, thanks. I obviously wasn't looking close enough!
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Postby NicholasDWolfwood » Mon Dec 23, 2002 7:54 pm

I'm sorry if I'm late on this thread, but here's my opinion.

Say you want to download an ep or two or three of an anime to see if you like it. Say, you like the anime enough to make some AMVs. How are you going to if you have say some crappy RM copy of the anime? You buy the DVDs.

I made a decision to pirate Premiere. I made a decision to buy HK bootleg DVDs as my Anime source for AMVs. I made the decision to even start making AMVs. So, you make the decisions. Like ErMaC said, Anime is not a right, it's a privledge (SP?). I choose to do things because I want to. Basically, if I choose to pirate Hellsing and use crappy DivX copies of it, I'll do it if I want to. Nobody can take that right away, it's protected by the First Amendment. But telling us and asking us on this forum or website is frowned apon, and generally not good.
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Postby Brolli411 » Mon Dec 23, 2002 7:57 pm

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klinky wrote:Let's flip it around, I have DVDs, but I also want to get my car working and have a social life :O, but with out paying for it? How's that going to work?

If he wants to use good footage, he gets off his ass and goes and gets the DVDs or, he once again, gets off his ass and learns how to pirate anime.

The problem is these people have no clue.
First is starts with anime.
Then it's what editor OMG ? Where do I get it? Kazaa don't work on my computer? Can't you just send it to me?
Wait this is two hard? Where's the easy buttons on this thing?
Can't you just tell me how to do that?
Whoa this file is so big? How do I make it smaller like totally?
Okay where do I put it? Who has FREE hosting for me?


I find that quite irrational and uncalled for. I hope you never have children. Some of the other things that kthulhu said have made me thing some things as well.

If any of you already have, or do in the future, are you going to treat him/her like the newbies on this site? That sure seems to me what you look like. Someone who comes into this worlds that we know as AnimeMusicVideos and has no clue what to do. Yes there are many, many obvious solutions to the problems that the every-day newbie has. But the same goes in real life. If your child comes up to you asking what something means, or how to spell it...Are you going to hand him/her a dictionary? I cirtianly hope not.
When your boss, or fellow employee asks you a question that you think is EXTREMELY easy and obvious, are you going to send him and e-mail that you covently forgot to leave out 'Official a-m-v.org Flame?'
If you have ever, which I hope you have at least once in your times here at AnimeMusicVideos.org, ever helped out someone who has asked, "How do I download Videos," "How do I upload videos," "What editing program should I use," or "I'm new, how do I make Music Videos?"

I know, I have seen most of you do it before. I have. And it was different. You were kinder, with open arms. This site is for the cataloging, and soon downloading, of Anime Music Videos. Some could say it is also meant for the 'Creation' of anime music videos.

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Postby JustAnOrdinaryPanda » Mon Dec 23, 2002 7:57 pm

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:I'm sorry if I'm late on this thread, but here's my opinion.

Say you want to download an ep or two or three of an anime to see if you like it. Say, you like the anime enough to make some AMVs. How are you going to if you have say some crappy RM copy of the anime? You buy the DVDs.

I made a decision to pirate Premiere. I made a decision to buy HK bootleg DVDs as my Anime source for AMVs. I made the decision to even start making AMVs. So, you make the decisions. Like ErMaC said, Anime is not a right, it's a privledge (SP?). I choose to do things because I want to. Basically, if I choose to pirate Hellsing and use crappy DivX copies of it, I'll do it if I want to. Nobody can take that right away, it's protected by the First Amendment. But telling us and asking us on this forum or website is frowned apon, and generally not good.


Yeah, I kinda agree with you, but if you do that, don't post it here, because it's in Phade's rules. Post it on your own site, because whether you agree with the people here or not, you better respect the rules they have here.
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