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Postby The_Mad_Hatter » Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:44 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:watched your sequence, couple of suggestions comments. What program are you using to overlay the characters? It looks like your using photoshop and cutting each frame seperatly.


Yup. Then I'm saving the finished clips and using ACDSee to flip back and forth between frames with the scroll wheel to check for accuracy.

This kind of effect is best done in After Effects which would make it go much faster as well. But assuming you dont have the program, Photoshop can work as well but will take much more time to look convincing. (I've done it both ways in my videos).


I've never actually used After Effects, but I think I should probably check it out sometime.

Some of the edges still needs work since they are a big too rough and still contain a few pixels of the background being cut out. best is not to blur the whole image since it will not match the other one even more, but to manually blur just the edges a bit so the the character blends in.


That's what I did already, but the problem is that the resolution just isn't fine enough to blend it any better using that method. I've found though that if I use the point to point selection tool and just select the general outter edges that look roughest and then use a soften or gause filter they can come together pretty nicely.

The other big giveway is the different lighting of both characters. This is bar fat the hardest part to make it look convincing but it required otherewise the whole thing still looks like an overlap rather than a natural scene. Try to darken the "Mother" Character to match the more darker bed scene. You'll have to play around with brightness/contrast/saturation and color balance settings to make it work.


Nah, I tried that already and she wound up looking real. She's supposed to be more of a dream/ghost which is why it's better that she's brighter than the rest of the scene, that'll be more apparent when I do the sparkle fade in thing. But yeah, given the two different kinds of lighting it makes blending that much harder.

I can simpathize with the amount of time this takes, I did a whole video with 2/3 of the footage being overlays of three characters and that took well over 300+ hours to do. I've now developed faster methods to work with masks that would cut the time down and do something like this sequence in about 2-3 hours.... Keep experimenting and see what you come up with!

Vlad


Did you do lip synching effects along with your overlay stuff? If so I should go and check out yer videos (if ya got em up for download).
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Postby RadicalEd0 » Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:44 pm

The_Mad_Hatter wrote:I believe that an AMV can be judged as far as quality of capture, sound, editing, originality, and the effort put into it, but emotion isn't math, so precision and accuracy aren't always the most important things.


This is the reason why I can spend weeks making an amv that is technically perfect from every audio and video standpoint and it'll still suck :roll:
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Postby Chef » Wed Dec 04, 2002 4:46 pm

RadicalEd0 wrote:
The_Mad_Hatter wrote:I believe that an AMV can be judged as far as quality of capture, sound, editing, originality, and the effort put into it, but emotion isn't math, so precision and accuracy aren't always the most important things.


This is the reason why I can spend weeks making an amv that is technically perfect from every audio and video standpoint and it'll still suck :roll:
damn emotion


ditto...just backwards.

well probably not, theyd probably still suck if they looked good.
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Postby Vlad G Pohnert » Wed Dec 04, 2002 5:21 pm

The_Mad_Hatter wrote:
Did you do lip synching effects along with your overlay stuff? If so I should go and check out yer videos (if ya got em up for download).


No lip synching, but I did do the "Ghost effect" and lots of overlays. If you want to see the results, here's the link the the video. All overlays are done in After Effects with Masks which make the whole process much more smoother and easier (watch the hair in the overlay shots).
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=9827

I used photoshop when I did my "Love Hurts" video
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=1837
and if you watch the edges, they didn't turn out as well since each frame is cutout seperatly.

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Postby OmniStrata » Wed Dec 04, 2002 8:16 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:yep.. I'm forever stuck in the 'looks cool to me' phase :roll:


That's fine, your opinion for my "Dancing Stars" video has scarred me for life...

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Postby The_Mad_Hatter » Wed Dec 04, 2002 11:24 pm

Gettin There!

Okay I think I got it pretty much perfect except I still need to make her mom blink once as she's moving her hand and then I need to add in the lip synch.

What I'm wondering is whether you think I should edit out the light splotches that the lense flares created. It's not a huge deal but I figure I better get this right the first time rather than regret some small thing later on. Personally I'm not really sure about it, I've watched the segment about a dozen times and part of me thinks it would look better without, but part of me thinks it would look more realistic if I left em in. Any ideas?
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Postby Koopiskeva » Wed Dec 04, 2002 11:30 pm

This is starting to become a communal AMV :shock:
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Postby The_Mad_Hatter » Wed Dec 04, 2002 11:35 pm

Koopiskeva wrote:This is starting to become a communal AMV :shock:


LOL, I suppose in a way a part of it is. Although after this lil segment I don't think I'll be giving away any more spoilers, unless I'm just really not sure about something. ^_^
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Postby Kusoyaro » Thu Dec 05, 2002 9:40 am

This thread (and its originator) make me ill.

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Postby Dannywilson » Thu Dec 05, 2002 10:52 am

Kusoyaro wrote:This thread (and its originator) make me ill.

T_M_H can never be totally sweet because he's not a Ninja like me.


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Postby Ashton » Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:59 am

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Postby Freako » Fri Dec 06, 2002 9:39 am

this has been the most annoying and addicting thread i have ever read .... but i do agree with something that someone said earlier in that, If you really want to wow people , do the video ,... then start a thread .

but for god's sake , dont boast about how you are the second coming of christ . It only will turn people off to you or your video , and will make people look at your video in a different way . Looking for bad things.

Now i know from this thread that you will probably pick apart this post , peice by peice , so you can respond to every little thing i said. But let me remind you that when people turn off their computers, ( i feel confident to say), that most of us do not fucking care who you are or how you claim you will "raise the standard". the are anime music videos.

I can be an ahole sometime. okay , alot of the time. But if I EVER post a thread like this. May Phade have mercy on my soul.


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