Why do you all have to use different formats?

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Why do you all have to use different formats?

Postby imphill » Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:14 am

cant you all agree to use just one file type?
.AVI is cool.
.WMA is Windodz <you know me>
.MPEG is alright.
.MKV is fun to use
.Mov whats the point...

If you used AVI or MKV, then it all would alot easier. That way there would be no playback problems cause we could use Windowz smeg player or equalvent.[/b]
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Postby Arigatomina » Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:55 am

MPG is the standard. Anything else requires codecs, filters, or special players. We won't standardize because different people like different codecs. A lot easier for whom? Things are perfectly easy for me since I have the codecs to player just about anything. Those for whom things are not easy can easily click the "how to play those darn vids" guide and read about codecs and players.

Since not everyone uses the same editing program, has the same compression-knowledge, or cares about the same distribution audience, it's every editor for himself. That's why we all use different formats. Not because we 'have to' but because we can and we want to.

/this question annoys me, who said avi was compatible with *any* virgin computer? Computers don't come with divx-player or ffdshow, you know.
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Postby Maverick-Rubik » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:05 am

Imphill, you do realize that's like saying "why can't everyone just drive the same kind of vehicle?"

They all don't accomplish things the same in the same way, and people know how to use some better than others. The only reason there are so many formats is because people have found ways to encode video differently, although not comparably better than the others, but maybe better in certain situations. I mean, you've got your cars, your bikes, your trucks, your limos, etc. ...
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Postby imphill » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:09 am

this is me getting grilled,
im sorry i asked.
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Postby RolltheStampede » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:17 am

Point is if we all used avi like you are suggesting and want it to play on a virgin machine with no compression the file size would be like 40gb for 5 minutes or so. mpeg or mpeg to would most likely be universally accepted because most pcs at least can play them without any other decompressors. Im not sure how that works with macs i believe the standard for macs are mov. And i believe when people using windows movie maker export there video it exports to wmv. which is not a bad codec, but frowned upon in the community for having bad quality even though that is a result of the original footage not the codec.
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Re: Why do you all have to use different formats?

Postby doughboy » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:28 am

imphill wrote:cant you all agree to use just one file type?


You make it sound like this place is a unified corporation with weekly board meetings. :lol: The guides push people to use Xvid, that's the most influence this place can have.
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Postby Vancore » Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:32 am

imphill wrote:this is me getting grilled,
im sorry i asked.


I thought that was you running around in a box.

But seriously, we can't all agree on one file format because nothing out there is perfect. Especially in software, everything has its good and bad points. I think I saw them listed in one of the Guides if you want to check out how different.
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Postby arzuro » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:17 am

It would be feckin easy to agree on one kind of vehicle for each possible use. There is THE best car, THE best truck and THE best convertible. It just won't work because people are mostly jerks.
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Postby arzuro » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:19 am

Just look at it from a historical standpoint. Look at videos. VHS was vastly inferiour to Betamax, but Betamax had a dorky name so obviously VHS made the race. Check out those sweet acronyms. IYDYAFWSGTHAGSCIWBSAS, Baby.
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Postby arzuro » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:20 am

Another obvious and commonly known example: mp3 is the worst available format to store music in, even using compression. Other formats will offer better compression AND better quality. It's just how things go.
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Postby jubjub2 » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:33 am

arzuro wrote:It would be feckin easy to agree on one kind of vehicle for each possible use. There is THE best car, THE best truck and THE best convertible. It just won't work because people are mostly jerks.


Again, though, the "BEST" is still subjective. My personal opinion of 'best truck' would be swayed by my purposes and use for a truck, not to mention what I would find aesethically pleasing.

We all have to work with what we've got, and our own views of what our personal best is.

I think if you can't handle diversity, get out of the gene pool.
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Postby Maverick-Rubik » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:45 am

arzuro wrote:Just look at it from a historical standpoint. Look at videos. VHS was vastly inferiour to Betamax, but Betamax had a dorky name so obviously VHS made the race. Check out those sweet acronyms. IYDYAFWSGTHAGSCIWBSAS, Baby.


Uh, the only reason that VHS beat out Betamax was because everyone collaborated on standardizing except for Sony, so their betamax was left out in the market.

And the only reason the org doesn't standardize their formats is because it would only benefit lazy people who don't know an encoder from their left hand.

Honestly, there is no other advantage besides making it easier for people who are new to downloading videos... and since the site's purpose isn't to entertain people but catalog videos, that seems like a pretty crappy reason to standardize on one format- especially since the problems are wiped out as soon as people install the correct decoders.

And again, this isn't a market. Standardizing among commercial things such as cars and video cassettes makes sense, but standardizing for a format that hasn't even reached commercial status is rediculous. Most of these encoders are only a few years young... and don't have thousands of people working on the clock for them.

Encoders are different in the way that videos could be compressed differently from video to video. Standardizing an encoder among many types of art (animation, live action, computer generated three-dimension, and then some tricky aesthetic qualities like "noise") that only benefits the initial step and downgrades the rest of the work as a video editor (and in some cases, the viewer as well) is just plain foolish.
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Postby Maverick-Rubik » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:50 am

And yes, my vehicle analogy is flawed, but so are all analogies in general. I apologize for using one so rashly without thinking of the consequences. :roll:
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Postby SpringBoy » Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:13 am

Well, I don't care so much because I can play any of them but I do think that there are several that I think shouldn't be used.

These are WMV, MPEG, MOV.

WMV - because it is MS proprietary and other platforms have to jump through hoops to get them to play. Plus I generally dislike WMVs as it usually means the person has used WMM and let it do the compression how it likes resulting in poor quality.

MPEG - because the compression is just crap (MPEG-1, MPEG-2 is ok but patented and harder to get codecs for).

MOV - because it is Apple proprietary (mostly) and suffers from similar problems to WMVs.

Other than that I don't care if people use AVI, MKV, OGM, or whatever else as long as they use a good (and free) codec.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:47 am

imphill wrote:cant you all agree to use just one file type?
.AVI is cool.
.WMA is Windodz <you know me>
.MPEG is alright.
.MKV is fun to use
.Mov whats the point...

If you used AVI or MKV, then it all would alot easier. That way there would be no playback problems cause we could use Windowz smeg player or equalvent.


1. you must have seen my banner o.0 (how that pos got worthy is beyond me)

2. I am too lazy to learn .avi compression even though this site continues to rave or act like its the best...

3. its .WMV - and in Sony Vegas its the best quality to filesize ratio... keeps most of my files pretty small, while has a pretty clear quality... YUP I make .WMV look good
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