Why is "art" a dirty word?

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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:23 am

art is simply a generic term for any product of the creative impulse
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Postby imphill » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:24 am

x_rex30 wrote:
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Anime is not art........its artwork.
AMV is not art...........it fan art.... :lol:
WTF!!? :?


no take the word as a whole.

<i>Artwork</i>
<i>Fanart</i>
Two different things, and if you went to some english lessons, you would know that. :roll:
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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:26 am

different types of art.

What your saying is like saying "it's not rain, it's acid rain". It's still a type of rain.. sheesh!! :roll:
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Postby imphill » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:28 am

no.
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Postby Bloodseeker » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:29 am

I think that the kind of art that the topic creator is refering to is something a bit deeper than just anything with creativity... he's talking the about something so inspiring that it deserves a spot in a museum. But anime just doesn't seem artsy to me...
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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:30 am

imphill wrote:no.
no what?
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Postby imphill » Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:57 am

no what?

What your saying is like saying "it's not rain, it's acid rain". It's still a type of rain.. sheesh!!

It's not rain, it's a <b><i>TYPE</b></i> of rain but its not rain.

same appiles to anime.
It's not art, its a type a of art. Fanart.
Thus this topic should be locked as "inrelavent"
Anime isn't art. Art is Art. Anime is animation. Fanart is AMV.
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Postby Malificus » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:02 am

You're an idiot.

By you're logic, what is art?

The Mona Lisa is a painting, so you're logic says that isn't art,
Michelangelo's David is a sculpture, not art,
So what would art be?

That's like saying idaho potatoes aren't potatoes, or skyscrapers aren't buildings.
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Postby x_rex30 » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:03 am

imphill wrote:
no what?

What your saying is like saying "it's not rain, it's acid rain". It's still a type of rain.. sheesh!!

It's not rain, it's a <b><i>TYPE</b></i> of rain but its not rain.

same appiles to anime.
It's not art, its a type a of art. Fanart.
Thus this topic should be locked as "inrelavent"
Anime isn't art. Art is Art. Anime is animation. Fanart is AMV.
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Postby imphill » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:08 am

Malificus wrote:You're an idiot.

By you're logic, what is art?

The Mona Lisa is a painting, so you're logic says that isn't art,
Michelangelo's David is a sculpture, not art,
So what would art be?

That's like saying idaho potatoes aren't potatoes, or skyscrapers aren't buildings.


if you read posts eariler then i said:
The Mona Lisa is art.
Michelangelo's David is a scuplture.
AMVs are fanart
And animes are animtion, no different then The Simpsons, or Futrama.
Again, anime is a type of animation which is a form of art.
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Postby HungryCrackPot » Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:40 am

"inrelavent"?
Is that anything like Symbology?
You are a fucking idiot.
(psst, it's "irrelevant")
Now, next, you can't sit there and actually tell someone that something they see as art is not art, because art is an all encompassing media. You can use anything to create art, and from any source. The fact that you are trying to downplay fanart as sub-art is just dumb. It is still art. You, nor anyone else alive or dead has the right to label what is and is not art. Art is in the eye of the one who created it and the ones that percieve it as such.
imphill, you are a fucking moron.
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Postby Niotex » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:28 am

Art is art if it has a meaning... Hell just cause i dont think that a piece of stone is art dosnt mean that it isnt so... Only thing that i dont call art is something that was created without a feeling, emotion and/or own meaning for the creator...

If i put a line on a piece of paper and i do it with emotion and i work my way trough it with feeling it becomes art to some extent.

Basicly this is just a quastion that will never be awnserd beo cause some people find cutting edge filters and masks more art then a clean cut or non filter video. that is if they even consider it art.

Its all down to the viewers and creators judgement. I dont go around and call my video's art the only thing i can call art for myself is my slipping away video cause i put emotion into that video and it helped me get trough a very hard time when making that.

Art = Emotion
Emotion = Accepted/Declined
Accepted/Declined = Judgement
Judgement = People
People = Allot of thoughts/Idea's/Opinion about something

Its a paradox even though i havent ilustrated it clearly here =/

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Postby godix » Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:42 am

imphill wrote:same appiles to anime.
It's not art, its a type a of art. Fanart.
Thus this topic should be locked as "inrelavent"
Anime isn't art. Art is Art. Anime is animation. Fanart is AMV.

This is, without a doubt, the absolute dumbest arguement I've heard since since some twit tried claiming that blowjobs aren't sex. I really shouldn't complaint though. Since Sammy left we haven't had a buck toothed unibrowed mongloid morons point of view in the forums. It's kinda nice having someone around who sets the bar so low that when I see some noob asking what file sharing program they can grab WMM off of I go 'Ah, finally, an intelligent person to deal with!' I've found people much easier to deal with when I have low expectations of humanity and you just helped lower them a little bit more.

Hey mods, don't delete this. It isn't a flame. It's an insult, which is a type of flame. Therefore it's totally different and shouldn't fall under the flaming rules.
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Postby Jebadia » Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:01 am

Imphill, anything pertaining to creativity or creation can be catagorized as ART. Anime, AMV's, Caveman Drawings, Cooking, and the Atomic Bomb, all can be considered ART. There is no subcatagory or classification that you can even think of to lower any of these things to something other than ART. As I said earlier in this topic, "Art is pretty big for a 3 letter word".

Fanart is still ART, created by an artist using materials either traditional or non tradition to create a piece of artwork that pays homage to a preticular subject, usually from another piece of ART itself.

Animation is a series of collective drawings, whether done by hand or computer, imposed upon a background created by the same or other means, with lighting and direction. It's a motion picture to put it simply, a series of paintings basically, so Anime and Animation as a whole is ART.

So please Imphill, stop trying to push your foolish idea of what ART is on the rest of the public.
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Postby requiett » Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:33 am

godix wrote:
imphill wrote:same appiles to anime.
It's not art, its a type a of art. Fanart.
Thus this topic should be locked as "inrelavent"
Anime isn't art. Art is Art. Anime is animation. Fanart is AMV.

This is, without a doubt, the absolute dumbest arguement I've heard since since some twit tried claiming that blowjobs aren't sex.


This isn't an arguement. This is a fucking denial of human nature.
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