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Postby Castor Troy » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:38 am

Zarxrax wrote:
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Mugik wrote:The same is true for AMVs - we're giving very obscure animes much needed exposure, at no cost to their creators. That economic effect is being ignored.


What economic effect? If they're really so good, why hasn't anyone heard of them?


Euphoria single-handedly sold every single copy of Rah Xephon :p


The proof is in the pudding :P
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Postby Tono_Fyr » Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:46 am

Zarxrax wrote:
requiett wrote:
Mugik wrote:The same is true for AMVs - we're giving very obscure animes much needed exposure, at no cost to their creators. That economic effect is being ignored.


What economic effect? If they're really so good, why hasn't anyone heard of them?


Euphoria single-handedly sold every single copy of Rah Xephon :p


I got my copies before I knew AMVs existed :P But, I probably wouldn't have known of the existance of Beyond The Clouds had it not been for Koop's Waking Hour.

And, I want to get Now And Then, Here And There because of Flint's AMV. What AMVs have introduced me more to is music, which is funny because the music we use is what threatens us more than the anime.
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Postby Mugik » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:26 pm

requiett wrote:What economic effect? If they're really so good, why hasn't anyone heard of them?


I'm not sure if you understand me. I'm saying that every anime we use to make a video has a greater chance of being bought in America.

Take your videos, for instance. Most of yours are from relatively well-known anime. But what about your My Neighbor Totoro video, or your Geobreeders video? I've never heard of those, and many people in my anime club haven't either. But we've seen Metropolis and Macross. So, I could look through your AMV list and say "hey, I like Metropolis and Macross. Geobreeders must be good too!" Even better, I could watch the AMV you made and get a really good preview of Geobreeders. So, even though I've never heard of Geobreeders before, the fact that you made a video for it made me interested in it. :)
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Postby JaddziaDax » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:11 pm

Mugik wrote:
requiett wrote:What economic effect? If they're really so good, why hasn't anyone heard of them?


I'm not sure if you understand me. I'm saying that every anime we use to make a video has a greater chance of being bought in America.

Take your videos, for instance. Most of yours are from relatively well-known anime. But what about your My Neighbor Totoro video, or your Geobreeders video? I've never heard of those, and many people in my anime club haven't either. But we've seen Metropolis and Macross. So, I could look through your AMV list and say "hey, I like Metropolis and Macross. Geobreeders must be good too!" Even better, I could watch the AMV you made and get a really good preview of Geobreeders. So, even though I've never heard of Geobreeders before, the fact that you made a video for it made me interested in it. :)


WOW you have never heard of My Neighbor Totoro??? weird :P
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Postby Tono_Fyr » Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:14 pm

Mugik wrote:*Listens to program*

Here's the central theme: They believe that too many laws encourage crime. In this case, they're saying that all these regulations saying "Don't use our footage to make your videos!" are causing us to say "Screw it, we're doing it anyway." We're being forced into illegal actions by overly restrictive laws. If this is true, then it's the laws, not our behavior that is at fault.

The quote I found interesting - 23:59-24:14 : "When Napster was at it's most popular, CD sales were on the rise, and when Napster was cut off those sales dropped like a rocket...part of it was because when you were on Napster you would go to someone else's library and see a whole bunch of other cool stuff...that you didn't KNOW about!" The same is true for AMVs - we're giving very obscure animes much needed exposure, at no cost to their creators. That economic effect is being ignored.


Actually, the anime companies like us for that. It's the music in what we do that's the most troublesome and illegal.
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Postby imphill » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:14 pm

So what?
after all that have we come to a conclusion?
And if so, is it conclusive?



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Postby Knowname » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:18 pm

Mugik wrote:
requiett wrote:What economic effect? If they're really so good, why hasn't anyone heard of them?


I'm not sure if you understand me. I'm saying that every anime we use to make a video has a greater chance of being bought in America.

Take your videos, for instance. Most of yours are from relatively well-known anime. But what about your My Neighbor Totoro video, or your Geobreeders video? I've never heard of those, and many people in my anime club haven't either. But we've seen Metropolis and Macross. So, I could look through your AMV list and say "hey, I like Metropolis and Macross. Geobreeders must be good too!" Even better, I could watch the AMV you made and get a really good preview of Geobreeders. So, even though I've never heard of Geobreeders before, the fact that you made a video for it made me interested in it. :)


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Postby Knowname » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:20 pm

imphill wrote:So what?
after all that have we come to a conclusion?
And if so, is it conclusive?



i think not.


I beleive we're caught at an inconclusive inconclusion.
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Postby CHAMELEON_D_H » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:41 am

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* Members 424828
* Videos 73564
* Creators 26170


He got the numbers wrong... We're a small army :twisted:

....made on their old iMacs up in their bedrooms....


OLD??? IMAC?!?!!?!?!?!?!
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Postby requiett » Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:18 am

I think AMVers give themselves way too much credit.
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Postby Deathscythe_Animated » Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:11 pm

I dont think we give ourselves to much credit. We really create some stunning stuff, and that's the reason why no one's coming after. The truth is we're all exhibitionists at heart. We like creating things and doing that hundreds, possibly thousands of people will see. We are NOT big movie producers. But I think that a lot of AMVs show that there's more to a movie than special effects. Bottom line, we can do in three minutes what most movies can't do in two hours.

Also, I dont recall spending $1800 on an old imac. That's digusting and offensive.
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Postby JaddziaDax » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:31 pm

Deathscythe_Animated wrote:I dont think we give ourselves to much credit. We really create some stunning stuff, and that's the reason why no one's coming after. The truth is we're all exhibitionists at heart. We like creating things and doing that hundreds, possibly thousands of people will see. We are NOT big movie producers. But I think that a lot of AMVs show that there's more to a movie than special effects. Bottom line, we can do in three minutes what most movies can't do in two hours.

Also, I dont recall spending $1800 on an old imac. That's digusting and offensive.


Then why is it that most people like to use the scenes with the pretty special effects? and why is it that most people like "effects" videos over plain old cuts?

not trying to argue really even though I am doing a good job at it... but this part of your argument is kinda off kilter...

truthfully all we are doing is RIPPING OFF that big time movie that you say cant do what an AMV can do, and putting it to a different music, so I also think thats a little off... (atleast such is the case of a fanvideo, which AMV does fall under this same category)

IF WE ORIGINALLY CREATED OUR MEDIA THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT... But the truth is we are using someone elses work to our advantage just changing the effort a bit... and changing it to suit our own purposes...

I think SOME editorers give themselves too much credit, I know I have my moments, and I try my hardest to keep reserved. But, there is alot more effort put into a big time budget film than any AMV.. they, after all, have to start from scratch. We have premade video and premade songs to work with :P
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Postby ANTDrakko » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:48 pm

I don't know, I think I enjoy the trailers to some movies moreso than the movies, now and then. :wink: 8-) They always seem like a small music video to me. And the editing, I believe, truely determines the audiences choice in wanting to go see it.

Although, now-a-days, I think they show too much about the movie itself (i.e. all the funny parts are in the trailer). Perhaps they are getting lazy?

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Postby Knowname » Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:36 pm

Deathscythe_Animated wrote:we can do in three minutes what most movies can't do in two hours.


some of us, the rest of us make what could be described as commercials hardly fit to be played on high frequency cable.
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Postby Deathscythe_Animated » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:01 pm

[quote="Knowname"][quote="Deathscythe_Animated"]we can do in three minutes what most movies can't do in two hours.[/quote]

some of us, the rest of us make what could be described as commercials hardly fit to be played on high frequency cable.[/quote]

LOL, this is true. God knows my videos aren't the most popular out there. But it's like a personal touch. A tribute by fans. AMV's are fun to create and moreso knowing that others will be watching them. A certain amount of emotion leaks into each project. What happens when you're done watching a series that totally blew you away? Go find some AMV's for it. If there are none, create one. And I think JaddziaDax is right, I was a bit off kilter, what I was trying to say that there is more out there than special effects. It doesnt have to be "pretty" to work. Look at Pavel Battosai's "Colorblind". It is an amazing video and one of my favorites. It has a subtle feel to it, almost no special effect, yet it demands a powerful and critical presence in my life. Sometimes I sit back and daydream about that video, the thematic element running through my head. If anyone were to take that feeling away from us. Well I can't be responsible. LOL.

At any rate, I think most of us are honest people no matter how many of us are awesome at creating AMV, or whether we make Punch, Drunk, Love look good. I will personally vouch that all my material is bought and paid for. And if the music or anime industries want to come after me for it. Then I guess I just have to create a band and learn how to draw.
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